I remember comming back a year or two ago and you'd constantly see someone soloing latest content zone named mini-bosses via some kind of warping or lots of people macro farming...is this still the case?
haven't seen anyone macro farming.. but if i do .. I usually train them.
I haven't noticed anything myself. But then this time I"m also not playing on the Zek server either.
You can use macro if you are on your computer using them but not go AFK and wait.
I will never undestand how Sony let use use mercenary and go AFK 24 hours and get XP.
Ksandra-EM wrote:
I don't think there is ANY rule about not being at your keyboard...Kinda like parking your beastlord in the basement of Lower Guk and letting your pet eat froggies all night long for faction. Same with a mercenary. I think the issue that is found in EULA is the use of outside programs to do it. You can't use Macro programs that control the game for you...and you can't use hack programs for the same reason....no outside programs.
yeah that is actuayl against the rules they just dont enforce it unless someone complains
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If you have a fancy gaming mouse that can be programmed to fire off a certain keystroke at preset intervals to execute something like a fishing or foraging macro, or if you use a software program to do the same, that's not against the EULA, but if a GM comes along and talks to you, you'd better be there to reply.
But if you just park in a place with KOS roamers that your pet can easily kill if they attack, and then go AFK, since your computer isn't actually sending any commands to the server, I don't see that SOE would have a problem with that.
I think it's a difference between active and passive AFK'ing. If it's active, you need to be there.
People hack. Most of the time it's on ZEK, but others still do it. I've had hte unfortunate experience of knowing people who've done it. It's extremely common. One of my friends told me that people have beeen hacking everquest since 99, and that it's very easy to do. He told me about how they could kill everything in a zone almost 10 years ago. I've never hacked, and I don't support it, but I'm just letting you know that it still happens.
There're posts about it. SOE made a post a while back about it. They try to stop it, but there's only so much that can be done.
It's against the rules to post the names of any Macro or Hack Programs, but one of the worst was a program that allowed you not only to see into the zone, see all the mobs, but also see what loot they were carrying BUT ALSO allowed you to ghost. Ghosting would let you be and stay invisible, attack the mobs and they couldn't attack you back. There were a few LARGE high end guilds that used this to gear up for content.
part of the problem is sony is way too reluctant to use the ban hammer. blizzard will ban them then make them prove beyond a doubt that the banning was unjustified, they dont get everyone they get enough that people are concerned about the chance of losing their characters
Vanguard tried that...and lost alot of players when they first started due to it. The underestimated the number of people that would get into tradeskills early and make lots of money. Then they would transfer it over to a low level mule to hold. BAM!!! Level 5 character with 1 plat....no way...BAN....and then the players would have several weeks of hell trying to prove they got it legitamately....Many of the tradeskillers just quit at that point. Banning for obvious infraction is needed...but you gotta be careful with witchhunts.
blizzard is more concerned with the processes running while the app is going. if certain processes show up while the main app is running then a flag drops in the server logs. its an intrusive way to do it, kind of like punkbuster but it is effective.
MQ did no such thing, at least not in years if it ever did.
Juzam_Djinn wrote:
Ksandra-EM wrote:It's against the rules to post the names of any Macro or Hack Programs, but one of the worst was a program that allowed you not only to see into the zone, see all the mobs, but also see what loot they were carrying BUT ALSO allowed you to ghost. Ghosting would let you be and stay invisible, attack the mobs and they couldn't attack you back. There were a few LARGE high end guilds that used this to gear up for content. MQ did no such thing, at least not in years if it ever did.
i know the ones hes talking about it wasnt mq.
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could be.....trying to avoid a lock though
I haven't actually seen any hacking going on in years. The last time I actually saw it, was during fabled 2 years ago when I was standing there as a rogue looking at King in Chardok just me in the zone. In poped a Warrior and 2 Clerics that instantly poped like they were droped on top of King and started beating him down. That was the last time I've seen anything fishy going on, and its been at least 2 years ago.
I sure there are still hackers, but for the most part, they seem to be quieter about it. I imagine they are sticking to instances and now know better then to kill flashy targets. While I'd rather they didn't cheat at all, at least this style of cheating, doesn't impact those playing legitimately in the same way that it was a couple of years ago.
Philphan wrote:
So, let me get this straight? You see someone breaking the rules and your response is to break the rules? Not a smart repsonse...
Personally, I'll report him to the GM's using a petition.
Zippalbit_Vonderval wrote:
Philphan wrote:haven't seen anyone macro farming.. but if i do .. I usually train them.So, let me get this straight? You see someone breaking the rules and your response is to break the rules? Not a smart repsonse...Personally, I'll report him to the GM's using a petition.
That's a joke, right?
Mccoy-Combine wrote:
Zippalbit_Vonderval wrote:Philphan wrote:haven't seen anyone macro farming.. but if i do .. I usually train them.So, let me get this straight? You see someone breaking the rules and your response is to break the rules? Not a smart repsonse...Personally, I'll report him to the GM's using a petition.That's a joke, right?
No, why would you think that? Do you think that someone breaking the rules gives you permission to break the rules also?
I've only seen people hacking (at least that I could tell) three times.
Two were a few years ago (and I saw them a couple days apart). One was a ranger killing the raid mobs in RSS without the raid mobs attacking back. The other was 2 toons warping around PoFire and ghost killing the Fire minis.
The third time was more recent (within the last couple months) where I came across someone with a fully automated group of bots in CoD. He would pull a mob into camp and the melee bots would move directly behind the mob (and stay directly behind the mob no matter where he moved it) while the casters debuffed/nuked the mob. Once the mob was dead all of the toons in the group would move and stack up/stand on top of the exact same location.
Ok again please stop insisting that being AFK from keyboard is cheating.... the whole argument over it went on one forum for 30+ pages and never once was it stated by any dev that it was cheating.. (we even began giveing out where you can go to maximize the afk exp/aa/sfaction to see if that would lock or ban the info.. but never happened.. hence.. not a cheat think logically on this.. anythime anyone for any reason goes afk would be considered cheating.. (on a raid.. have to pee... cheating...in a group... answer dooor for the pizza... group kills... your cheating... kids crying.... cheating.... changing channel on tv.. fingers arnt touching keyboard.. on auotattack.. cheating... )... now some of those are liek way out there.. but seriously.. I can go afk in crushbone with dmg shield on.. as high end character.. with no merc.. no pet... and get faction kills... I dont have to move... mercs.. pets... etc can kill on there own.. doesnt make being afk a cheat.. iits also not very effecient and if using merc.. burns up the cash..... stop bringing this up.....
moebius800 wrote:
Juzam_Djinn wrote:Ksandra-EM wrote:It's against the rules to post the names of any Macro or Hack Programs, but one of the worst was a program that allowed you not only to see into the zone, see all the mobs, but also see what loot they were carrying BUT ALSO allowed you to ghost. Ghosting would let you be and stay invisible, attack the mobs and they couldn't attack you back. There were a few LARGE high end guilds that used this to gear up for content. MQ did no such thing, at least not in years if it ever did.i know the ones hes talking about it wasnt mq.
Aye....the one I was referring to required advanced C++ programming skills and advanced hacking skills. I read thier message board once while trying to look up an old hacker and it was like listening to two physicists talk about the origin of the universe in d00d sp8k.
I know the program broke the EULA....I think that it broke several federal laws as well.
Drachnor wrote:
Sorry bud, I petitioned on using a repeating keypad (mine is an N52 btw). They said using the keypad repeating function was fine as long as you were not AFK.
Being AFK breaks no rules. Being AFK and having your pet defend you if attacked does not break the rules. Using an outside program to control your character while you are AFK DOES break the rules. I remember zoning into WW once and seeing a druid sitting in the tunnel....every couple of minutes, he would stand up, cast invis and sit down. I sent a tell and no response....I know this person had some kind of program up and was foraging....this was when the Haversacks first came in and the WW direwolf tufts were selling like hotcakes. It would have been easy to drag a half dozen KoS mobs down the tunnel....but I just sent a petition asking them to check on the guy that he may have fallen asleep and seemed to be casting invis on himself every few minutes then sitting down....was kinda weird.
Mccoy-Combine wrote:Zippalbit_Vonderval wrote:Philphan wrote:haven't seen anyone macro farming.. but if i do .. I usually train them.So, let me get this straight? You see someone breaking the rules and your response is to break the rules? Not a smart repsonse...Personally, I'll report him to the GM's using a petition.That's a joke, right?No, why would you think that? Do you think that someone breaking the rules gives you permission to break the rules also?
The Gm's in EQ would prbly ban you for petitioning the hacker. "For teh Lulz."
Train away!
Ksandra-EM wrote:Vanguard tried that...and lost alot of players when they first started due to it. The underestimated the number of people that would get into tradeskills early and make lots of money. Then they would transfer it over to a low level mule to hold. BAM!!! Level 5 character with 1 plat....no way...BAN....and then the players would have several weeks of hell trying to prove they got it legitamately....Many of the tradeskillers just quit at that point. Banning for obvious infraction is needed...but you gotta be careful with witchhunts. blizzard is more concerned with the processes running while the app is going. if certain processes show up while the main app is running then a flag drops in the server logs. its an intrusive way to do it, kind of like punkbuster but it is effective.
Is Blizzard actually doing this? I know Everquest tried this and was taken to court over it. No program should be allowed to monitor the processes running on your computer and report back on them.... big lawsuit there. Just think of the privacy concerns etc etc.
moebius800 wrote:Aye....the one I was referring to required advanced C++ programming skills and advanced hacking skills. I read thier message board once while trying to look up an old hacker and it was like listening to two physicists talk about the origin of the universe in d00d sp8k.I know the program broke the EULA....I think that it broke several federal laws as well.
That's the one I was talking about.
I was actually considering using it, if only to get better with C++
I petitioned a foreign guy for warping in BMK once.. GMs said they'll take care of it..
Did it once in Barren Coast too once... GMs said they'll take care of it..
I think they did take actions against both people... Just make sure your petitions are precise and accurate.
Qwalarian wrote:
moebius800 wrote:Ksandra-EM wrote:Vanguard tried that...and lost alot of players when they first started due to it. The underestimated the number of people that would get into tradeskills early and make lots of money. Then they would transfer it over to a low level mule to hold. BAM!!! Level 5 character with 1 plat....no way...BAN....and then the players would have several weeks of hell trying to prove they got it legitamately....Many of the tradeskillers just quit at that point. Banning for obvious infraction is needed...but you gotta be careful with witchhunts. blizzard is more concerned with the processes running while the app is going. if certain processes show up while the main app is running then a flag drops in the server logs. its an intrusive way to do it, kind of like punkbuster but it is effective.Is Blizzard actually doing this? I know Everquest tried this and was taken to court over it. No program should be allowed to monitor the processes running on your computer and report back on them.... big lawsuit there. Just think of the privacy concerns etc etc.
as long as its in the eula then its a go.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_(software)
Drachnor wrote:Ok again please stop insisting that being AFK from keyboard is cheating.... the whole argument over it went on one forum for 30+ pages and never once was it stated by any dev that it was cheating.. (we even began giveing out where you can go to maximize the afk exp/aa/sfaction to see if that would lock or ban the info.. but never happened.. hence.. not a cheat think logically on this.. anythime anyone for any reason goes afk would be considered cheating.. (on a raid.. have to pee... cheating...in a group... answer dooor for the pizza... group kills... your cheating... kids crying.... cheating.... changing channel on tv.. fingers arnt touching keyboard.. on auotattack.. cheating... )... now some of those are liek way out there.. but seriously.. I can go afk in crushbone with dmg shield on.. as high end character.. with no merc.. no pet... and get faction kills... I dont have to move... mercs.. pets... etc can kill on there own.. doesnt make being afk a cheat.. iits also not very effecient and if using merc.. burns up the cash..... stop bringing this up.....Sorry bud, I petitioned on using a repeating keypad (mine is an N52 btw). They said using the keypad repeating function was fine as long as you were not AFK.
As drachnor said, it was discussed in great detail before. But, I do remember (as I've previously stated, I can't find the post, of course...) a dev mentioning that every action must be the result of a keystroke. What this means, of course, can be up for speculation. Macro'ing a small amount (as is built in) is obviously fine. Using some keyboard macro utilities seems to be fine. But, if I write a batch program to repeat certain actions over and over, it seems that that's wrong.
The conclusion that I've come to, after all this was hashed out at great lenght, is that if you start to abuse the ability to macro, it's cheating. I.e. if you're parking your character in a spot and walking away for 4 hours, but have a macro utility that /autoattacks and stuff like that, then it's a no no. BUT, it seems that if you set loose your pet or your merc and don't do anything else, that's ok.
That's all, and i'm totally not opening up this debate again hehe, 30 pages was plenty
I remember the dreaded French Guild Banning.. they were camping an item 24/7.. moving in shifts to camp an item non stop.. and then if you asked for camp they would direct you to their website to buy the item for cash..(all that is true and there are people who could back that up).. now the rumor is that . SOE was petiotined several times and Supposedly.. as the rumor goes.. they checked their computers and found 3rd party hack called "Show..... and they promplty banned the guild members that were camping the item... now all is said and done.. but the guild was a French guild and thus.. in France.. the laws in France stated that their were privacy laws that govern the personal computer and that no intrusion can be done by any company...They thus.. rumored.. broke..international privacy laws.. and Rumored that they then had to reinstate the players they banned and refund them... this is a rumor of course.. since no one can vouge for this .. who would..now that. would explain why the plat farmers still exist.. SOE has to be super careful not to break any international laws... and work with the foreign govts.. if expected cheating is occuring.. this is a heck of alot harder to do...
Now for the whole afk thing... yes usign a 3rd party programn to assist in the afk stuff.. but its really hard for them to simply say that you arnt at your keyboard when you are afk and getting exp.. faction ..etc.. a keyboard with an auto fire key.. that can be turned on and will conitounly be pushed.. even if by iteslf.. is much harder to prove.. its not hacking teh game.. its not a prgorman.. its the keyboard.. much like one of the ducks that with liquid can be used to hit a key over and over.. .the key is being hit.... much hard to prove foul.....
Sony doesn't have to justify your banning, or give a reason in a court of law.
all MMO's specificly state that we are in essence renting data storage space on their servers, we don't even own the data, and if the company is so inclined they can evict you from their servers.
If this wasn't the case, if you somehow "owned" anything at all, people would be suing for refunds whenever an MMO got shut down.
So if SoE actually wanted to, they could ban anyone at whim without legal reprucussion.
-Gaewewen_da_Rogue- wrote:
Sony doesn't have to justify your banning, or give a reason in a court of law.all MMO's specificly state that we are in essence renting data storage space on their servers, we don't even own the data, and if the company is so inclined they can evict you from their servers.If this wasn't the case, if you somehow "owned" anything at all, people would be suing for refunds whenever an MMO got shut down.So if SoE actually wanted to, they could ban anyone at whim without legal reprucussion.
that was my take on the situation too, sony owns the data and lets subscribers play according to their whims.
they need to get a little more whimsical in my opinion and clean up the game starting by flipping the switch on zek.
giving that server a reset and wipe would fix alot of the problems it has now.
what exactly is cheating? see noone can even figure that out on the forums, and there lies the problem
it starts with banning folks for 3rd party programs however why should it stop there? ever loot a item thats no drop that"friends" killed the mob for you?
is that not cheating?
ever twink out a alt with items he /she couldnt achieve without your assistance?
to some this is cheating and if sony intended you to be able to give these items to folks who couldnt get them they would have made them not be no drop.
my point is how far do the bannings go and when would it stop?
I pay 17 dollers a month for my game and my game only , i could give a rats terdcutter how others play because they aren't the ones setting the bar on my achievements and satisfactions, i'am.
to be extreme i think they should wipe every server period and make everyone start over because since the game was consieved there have been many exploits that put top players where they are today.
now before anyone goes freeking out hear me out a moment, how many folks used to jump and get aa like chicklets by getting your aa pled by other players when mobs were greyed out to them?
how many players because they were in game first got to exploit (intended or not)something that soe later fixed because it was broken?
not exploit but broken mechanics that soe felt needed to be fixed but yet didint roll back anyone or change anyone who had used them.
yes the only way eq will ever be fair for you today is if every char started from scratch and had to do it all over again with todays patches in place.
i feel you would see a far different playfield at the top then you do now.
also as myself and a few friends have greatly debated if packets were encrypted they wouldnt be able to read them and then those programs would just dissapear.
Sinent wrote:
yes the only way eq will ever be fair for you today is if every char started from scratch and had to do it all over again with todays patches in place.i feel you would see a far different playfield at the top then you do now.
Lol, gave me a good laugh. God forbid some people are at the top for having been dedicated players for a long time. They all exploited!
Malleria wrote:
Sinent wrote:yes the only way eq will ever be fair for you today is if every char started from scratch and had to do it all over again with todays patches in place.i feel you would see a far different playfield at the top then you do now.Lol, gave me a good laugh. God forbid some people are at the top for having been dedicated players for a long time. They all exploited!
alot of them on combine did and freely admitted they did in general chat........
what exactly is cheating? see noone can even figure that out on the forums, and there lies the problemit starts with banning folks for 3rd party programs however why should it stop there? ever loot a item thats no drop that"friends" killed the mob for you?is that not cheating?ever twink out a alt with items he /she couldnt achieve without your assistance?to some this is cheating and if sony intended you to be able to give these items to folks who couldnt get them they would have made them not be no drop.my point is how far do the bannings go and when would it stop?I pay 17 dollers a month for my game and my game only , i could give a rats terdcutter how others play because they aren't the ones setting the bar on my achievements and satisfactions, i'am.to be extreme i think they should wipe every server period and make everyone start over because since the game was consieved there have been many exploits that put top players where they are today.now before anyone goes freeking out hear me out a moment, how many folks used to jump and get aa like chicklets by getting your aa pled by other players when mobs were greyed out to them?how many players because they were in game first got to exploit (intended or not)something that soe later fixed because it was broken?not exploit but broken mechanics that soe felt needed to be fixed but yet didint roll back anyone or change anyone who had used them.yes the only way eq will ever be fair for you today is if every char started from scratch and had to do it all over again with todays patches in place.i feel you would see a far different playfield at the top then you do now.also as myself and a few friends have greatly debated if packets were encrypted they wouldnt be able to read them and then those programs would just dissapear.
1. Cheating is defined by SOE, and means whatever they say it does. The EULA specifically says no third party programs. Looting an item with a character who didn't participate in the kill may not have been the developers' intent, but I don't see it rising to the level of cheating. The item drop was earned by the killing party, and what they do with it is up to them. But we don't have to agree on a definition of cheating, nor does SOE need to have a consistent definition. The bits belong to SOE.
2. It would be a horrible injustice to take away the accomplishments of a large number of people just because you think they might have cheated to get where they were. If SOE has evidence that someone cheated, sure wipe them. But to clear a server would be wrong. I could make an argument that the long-term players are the least likely to have cheated to get where they were. My assumption is that when things are too easy (such as ghost killing mobs) that people get bored and move on. What keeps the game interesting is challange. The script-kiddie MQ'ers I have heard about don't seem to be the type to stick with a game for 10 years.
I heard you out on the cheating allegations, and I see no substance. You ask how many people cheat, and I'll answer some did. But not all did, and I doubt the number of cheaters come anywhere near the total EQ population. I hear bad things about Zek, but I don't know the situation first hand. I would note that Zek is a small chunk of the total EQ population.
3. If other people's playstyle doesn't matter to you, then whether they cheat or not makes no difference.
4. SOE does encrypt packets, and it doesn't stop anything. Anything encrypted must be decrypted. This means that the decryption key must exist on the client side, and can be found and exploited. From what I understand, programs like MQ don't mess with packets but modify memory in the running EQ client. So even if the network traffic was 100% secure, MQ would not be affected.
The only fix I can think of for these types of holes is to stop trusting the client. Let the client code perform I/O, and require the server to perform all calculations which result in world state changes.
Malleria wrote:Sinent wrote:yes the only way eq will ever be fair for you today is if every char started from scratch and had to do it all over again with todays patches in place.i feel you would see a far different playfield at the top then you do now.Lol, gave me a good laugh. God forbid some people are at the top for having been dedicated players for a long time. They all exploited!alot of them on combine did and freely admitted they did in general chat........
HAHAHA keep em coming! Way to pick the most short lived server as your example there big guy.
moebius800 wrote:Malleria wrote:Sinent wrote:yes the only way eq will ever be fair for you today is if every char started from scratch and had to do it all over again with todays patches in place.i feel you would see a far different playfield at the top then you do now.Lol, gave me a good laugh. God forbid some people are at the top for having been dedicated players for a long time. They all exploited!alot of them on combine did and freely admitted they did in general chat........HAHAHA keep em coming! Way to pick the most short lived server as your example there big guy.
it was the one current server where cheating actually gave the guilds involved a boost over the other guilds they were competing against. Thus it had the most deleterious effect on the ones not involved in the hacking.
a certain guild used hacks to dominate entire zones early on combine then sold the drops for real world cash.
are you so lacking you cant see how that would affect the entire server?
man im glad i play on the mac side the pc side has some serious cloudcuckoolanders hanging around.
Malleria wrote:HAHAHA keep em coming! Way to pick the most short lived server as your example there big guy.it was the one current server where cheating actually gave the guilds involved a boost over the other guilds they were competing against. Thus it had the most deleterious effect on the ones not involved in the hacking.a certain guild used hacks to dominate entire zones early on combine then sold the drops for real world cash.are you so lacking you cant see how that would affect the entire server?man im glad i play on the mac side the pc side has some serious cloudcuckoolanders hanging around.
Therefore: everyone should be reset to 0?
I'm sorry, maybe I should make my point clearer for you. Using the Combine as an example why everyone should be reset to 0 is stupid. Naturally the Combine would have a much higher instance of such behaviour, because a large appeal of the server was the race. If you'd bothered to read my first post, you'd have seen I specifically refered to long term dedicated players, not fresh characters rolled on a novelty server that lasted a comparatively short time.
edit: got rid of the excessive quotes
moebius800 wrote:Malleria wrote:HAHAHA keep em coming! Way to pick the most short lived server as your example there big guy.it was the one current server where cheating actually gave the guilds involved a boost over the other guilds they were competing against. Thus it had the most deleterious effect on the ones not involved in the hacking.a certain guild used hacks to dominate entire zones early on combine then sold the drops for real world cash.are you so lacking you cant see how that would affect the entire server?man im glad i play on the mac side the pc side has some serious cloudcuckoolanders hanging around.Therefore: everyone should be reset to 0?I'm sorry, maybe I should make my point clearer for you. Using the Combine as an example why everyone should be reset to 0 is stupid. Naturally the Combine would have a much higher instance of such behaviour, because a large appeal of the server was the race. If you'd bothered to read my first post, you'd have seen I specifically refered to long term dedicated players, not fresh characters rolled on a novelty server that lasted a comparatively short time.edit: got rid of the excessive quotes
the only server i think should be set to zero is zek. hacking and cheats are so ingrained in the culture of that server it needs a new start. its to the point that most players from zek who transfer off dont mention that they are from zek since they will immediately be suspected of hacks.
This is simple....Cheating is defined by the company that sets the rules. You click accept on the EULA before you play the game. Any infringements on the EULA is CHEATING. And it is at the full discretion of the company whether or not they WANT to ban you.
'Nuff said.
I speak from experience that hacking at one point was out of control in EQ. I'd say from 2003 to 2007. I don't know what happened in 2008, but they must of had some new management or something. They started reviewing logs and banning hacks frequently. How do I know? I was one of the hackers. I would warp / kill afk macros in instanced zones. I contributed to the distribution of **2warp.cpp source code. The devs at **2 put in anti-warp code to prevent people from using "active" hacks such as warp or zone plugins. I helped remove this code and distribute the said software to people so everyone could use it and not just the "elites". In 2008 I was banned for good. I am now playing in 2009 and won't touch hacking because they are being reviewed and if you do use hacks you will be banned. In more detail, I was banned while I was in the bazaar afk'd overnight to sell off my loot. I was not hacking at the time and the only explaination was they reviewed the logs and determinded that I hacked.
That being said the title of the topic is "how widespread is hacking now?" and the answer is not a simple yes/no. Active hacking has been reduced dramatically (warping/zoning/ghosting/etc...). However passive hacking is still widespread. Viewing the zone with all NPCs/PCs on the map. Its passive because it is just reading the packets being sent to your client and displaying them. Not changing the mechanics of the game. This can still be detected and banned for doing, but definitally harder to detect than the active hacks.
Now the Histroy of EQ hacks and truths and myths.
-You can see NPC/PC/ and loot the NPCs are have. (FALSE, at no time can you see the loot of NPC chars. Hacking is the manipulation of packets SENT TO YOUR CLIENT. At no point does the loot packets get sent to your client EXCEPT on the time of death and the mob is converted to a corpse. There would be no point to write a sub-routine to pass this info to players while the mob is alive.)
-You can crash an entire zone using hacks and have everything respawn. (TRUE at one time. I belive it was 2004 or 2005 a famous hacker named cronic released code that could do this. It was quickly squashed by SoE because people kept going to PoK and crashing the zone. Funny, but very annoying)
-Ghost hacking (TRUE, people would kill the king of RSS quite frequently in the OOW days and SoE soon started reviewing logs and banning a majority of these people.)
-Items Hacks (True, but never widespead. This was kept within the "elites" circle and never was distributed to the public. The premise of the hack was you could take any item and equip it in any slot on any character. Imagine a monk with a Cleric epic in his foot slot. Again, never got out because it was so easily detected and releasing would draw the ban stick.)
-Speedhacks (True)
-Zone hacks (True, First released in 2002 and was only good for key'd zones like Vex Thal. Revamped in 2004 for flagged zones such as PoP planes.)
-People in High end guilds obviously use hacks. (FALSE, if you worked on a char for 5 years would you risk everything to get to somewhere faster or get that 1 piece of loot. Hell no you wouldn't so let it go. In 1 month period of time a person hacking could level a char to 70 with about 1k AAs in 2004. Now, why would someone risk a char that has been around for years when they could create a dummy new char with very little risk. Answer : They wouldn't)
That is basically the history of hacking in EQ. Many people think I wrote the warp code, but in reality I just modified exsisting code to make it functional in 2003. To set the record strieght there isn't widespread active hacking going on now, but at one time there most definitally was. Today, I am very anti-hacking including passive hacks and will report any offenders I see with detailed explainations on what they are doing.
noobhaxor wrote:
*snipped lots of great info*
Wow, very nicely sumarized.
-Gaewewen_da_Rogue- wrote:Sony doesn't have to justify your banning, or give a reason in a court of law.all MMO's specificly state that we are in essence renting data storage space on their servers, we don't even own the data, and if the company is so inclined they can evict you from their servers.If this wasn't the case, if you somehow "owned" anything at all, people would be suing for refunds whenever an MMO got shut down.So if SoE actually wanted to, they could ban anyone at whim without legal reprucussion.that was my take on the situation too, sony owns the data and lets subscribers play according to their whims.they need to get a little more whimsical in my opinion and clean up the game starting by flipping the switch on zek.giving that server a reset and wipe would fix alot of the problems it has now.
True they do own it however the issue was not the banning it was that the viewed what the law stated was illegal to view.. so as one can call it.. hack into your computer to see if you were hacking into thier game. Yes they were being hacked by the playes however the act of hacking them to see that they were using a progrman is what caused the incident.. to break a law...(even though foreign in nature it was the law of that country)... So I agreed with SOE desision its just complicated when dealing with international laws....
