The main thing I wonder is, EQ has what? 7 melee classes? Why is the Ranger forced to be the 8th? The bow damage should be at least even with what they can put out melee wise, if not better.
An easy and fair way to fix this would be possibly making bow damage, while a mob is being tanked do 4x instead of 2x. That way the bow isn't buffed for soloing (though I still don't see whats wrong with that, but I know people would complain)
If you don't agree, what is a good reason to force Rangers to melee in group/raid content? I created my Ranger back in PoP when bows were actually good. If I wanted to just be another melee, I would have stuck with my monk to pull, or rogue/zerker for melee dps.
Right now though we do use bows at times, on a short fight with a bow and disc etc we do quite well, we're probably fine in terms of archery damage right now under disc.
Also I'd rather not be forced to use a bow, not sure how everyone else feels about it.
All I'm asking is make bow damage at least on par with melee, so we have a choice. Right now, sure you can bow well once an hour. Other than that if you want to use your bow, you make your whole group/raid lose a good chunk of dps.
Hmm, perhaps I am remembering incorrectly, but perhaps you should have this discussion on the ranger boards, since the Ranger community had this fight years ago, when the decision to change your epic 1.5 from a bow to a sword was made... a majority of rangers didn't want their significant DPS to come from a bow.
That said, we don't usually let our ranger pull cause she usually kills the pulled mobs with her bow before they arrive in camp, depriving the rest of us of our fun
Klonn_Darkbane wrote:
Hmm, perhaps I am remembering incorrectly, but perhaps you should have this discussion on the ranger boards, since the Ranger community had this fight years ago, when the decision to change your epic 1.5 from a bow to a sword was made... a majority of rangers didn't want their significant DPS to come from a bow.That said, we don't usually let our ranger pull cause she usually kills the pulled mobs with her bow before they arrive in camp, depriving the rest of us of our fun
Why would the ranger be pulling trivial light blue and green mobs in a group? How about finding a non trivial zone to group in?
Would be nice if bow damage was made relevent again, unfortunately, I don't see it happening anytime soon.
It does drive me freakin crazy to see some of our guild rangers bowing on major end-game raid fights. Sure, they might be burning their bow disc, but more than likely even with their disk their melee dps would be higher, especially if they're in a melee dps group.
It's fine though, under disc.
Yoscorio wrote:
Would be nice if bow damage was made relevent again, unfortunately, I don't see it happening anytime soon. It does drive me freakin crazy to see some of our guild rangers bowing on major end-game raid fights. Sure, they might be burning their bow disc, but more than likely even with their disk their melee dps would be higher, especially if they're in a melee dps group.
End game, like Brekt? He has a silence aura, and a lot of our damage comes from spells, so yes it is more than valid for us to bow that fight. Or something like Ganak who is being pushed all over the place, bowing that is a good idea. I guarantee that we do more damage with a bow on those events then we would trying to melee.
Hatsee wrote:
Yoscorio wrote:Would be nice if bow damage was made relevent again, unfortunately, I don't see it happening anytime soon. It does drive me freakin crazy to see some of our guild rangers bowing on major end-game raid fights. Sure, they might be burning their bow disc, but more than likely even with their disk their melee dps would be higher, especially if they're in a melee dps group.End game, like Brekt? He has a silence aura, and a lot of our damage comes from spells, so yes it is more than valid for us to bow that fight. Or something like Ganak who is being pushed all over the place, bowing that is a good idea. I guarantee that we do more damage with a bow on those events then we would trying to melee.
So save your disc for Brekt and stop bowing on all the other fights leading up to it. I wouldn't have any issues with that at all.
Hatsee wrote:Yoscorio wrote:Would be nice if bow damage was made relevent again, unfortunately, I don't see it happening anytime soon. It does drive me freakin crazy to see some of our guild rangers bowing on major end-game raid fights. Sure, they might be burning their bow disc, but more than likely even with their disk their melee dps would be higher, especially if they're in a melee dps group.End game, like Brekt? He has a silence aura, and a lot of our damage comes from spells, so yes it is more than valid for us to bow that fight. Or something like Ganak who is being pushed all over the place, bowing that is a good idea. I guarantee that we do more damage with a bow on those events then we would trying to melee.So save your disc for Brekt and stop bowing on all the other fights leading up to it. I wouldn't have any issues with that at all.
So you found some bad rangers and added them to your guild. Grats.
EricaBlueStars wrote:
Karthos wrote:
Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Hmm, perhaps I am remembering incorrectly, but perhaps you should have this discussion on the ranger boards, since the Ranger community had this fight years ago, when the decision to change your epic 1.5 from a bow to a sword was made... a majority of rangers didn't want their significant DPS to come from a bow.That said, we don't usually let our ranger pull cause she usually kills the pulled mobs with her bow before they arrive in camp, depriving the rest of us of our fun Why would the ranger be pulling trivial light blue and green mobs in a group? How about finding a non trivial zone to group in?
Sorry, our eJohnsons are not as big as yours, please get over yourself. We're quite happy clearing trash before named pulls. And who said trivial light blues and greens? Haven't significantly hunted them in awhile...
She's headshot in Tosk and Korofax, kited mobs around the group a couple of times to give the chanter a chance to lock down adds, only to have the pull arrive almost (or completely) dead.
lol@headshotting level 60 slaves
Karthos wrote:Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Hmm, perhaps I am remembering incorrectly, but perhaps you should have this discussion on the ranger boards, since the Ranger community had this fight years ago, when the decision to change your epic 1.5 from a bow to a sword was made... a majority of rangers didn't want their significant DPS to come from a bow.That said, we don't usually let our ranger pull cause she usually kills the pulled mobs with her bow before they arrive in camp, depriving the rest of us of our fun Why would the ranger be pulling trivial light blue and green mobs in a group? How about finding a non trivial zone to group in?Sorry, our eJohnsons are not as big as yours, please get over yourself. We're quite happy clearing trash before named pulls. And who said trivial light blues and greens? Haven't significantly hunted them in awhile...She's headshot in Tosk and Korofax, kited mobs around the group a couple of times to give the chanter a chance to lock down adds, only to have the pull arrive almost (or completely) dead.
His "eJohnson" isn't big. Hes just stating an obvious fact that if you were pulling anything level 85 they would not be dead or almost dead by the time they got to you.
It's not possible.
i d love ranger to be tuned as a Bow main dmg class, or if rngr community is against it, dev creating a 100% bow class.
so you want the ability to have your already overinflated dps (better than some melee's which is why all teh fixes are going in) to be the same for ranged as well?
really??
LL. learn about it.
Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Karthos wrote:Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Hmm, perhaps I am remembering incorrectly, but perhaps you should have this discussion on the ranger boards, since the Ranger community had this fight years ago, when the decision to change your epic 1.5 from a bow to a sword was made... a majority of rangers didn't want their significant DPS to come from a bow.That said, we don't usually let our ranger pull cause she usually kills the pulled mobs with her bow before they arrive in camp, depriving the rest of us of our fun Why would the ranger be pulling trivial light blue and green mobs in a group? How about finding a non trivial zone to group in?Sorry, our eJohnsons are not as big as yours, please get over yourself. We're quite happy clearing trash before named pulls. And who said trivial light blues and greens? Haven't significantly hunted them in awhile...She's headshot in Tosk and Korofax, kited mobs around the group a couple of times to give the chanter a chance to lock down adds, only to have the pull arrive almost (or completely) dead.His "eJohnson" isn't big. Hes just stating an obvious fact that if you were pulling anything level 85 they would not be dead or almost dead by the time they got to you.
I didn't say every mob anyway. She does a TON of damage on pulls, especially long ones, with her bow. We saw it a LOT in FoS, when we were still doing it and she'd occaisionally crit (ok, I might have misunderstood head shot, I am not a ranger) for 64k or more. I know she uses special arrows and discs a lot.
The bottom line is that she does damage with her bow comparable (and often more) than me, a Necro. Since a ranger is a hybrid, I don't think that's right, since my only raison d'etre is DPS. Not whining about MY DPS, but see no need for yet more.
You're an idiot.
To hit for 64k it was a headshot on a light blue/green mob, or she did it on a mob at low health fleeing with finishing blow which every melee has I believe.
If you want to make it sound like a class is OP in order to get it nerfed once again at least try to make a story believable. You can not HS FoS+ mobs, and anyone can FB them yes even with a bow. And no she did not do it on a pull.
You're an idiot.To hit for 64k it was a headshot on a light blue/green mob, or she did it on a mob at low health fleeing with finishing blow which every melee has I believe.If you want to make it sound like a class is OP in order to get it nerfed once again at least try to make a story believable. You can not HS FoS+ mobs, and anyone can FB them yes even with a bow. And no she did not do it on a pull.
I assure you, sir, I am not an idiot. An idiot would insist on posting class specific issues in a general forum, expecting others to know that class-specific information aned expecting others, with their own issues, to comisserate with their whining.
Hatsee wrote:You're an idiot.To hit for 64k it was a headshot on a light blue/green mob, or she did it on a mob at low health fleeing with finishing blow which every melee has I believe.If you want to make it sound like a class is OP in order to get it nerfed once again at least try to make a story believable. You can not HS FoS+ mobs, and anyone can FB them yes even with a bow. And no she did not do it on a pull. I assure you, sir, I am not an idiot. An idiot would insist on posting class specific issues in a general forum, expecting others to know that class-specific information aned expecting others, with their own issues, to comisserate with their whining.
You insisted that your friend was hitting mobs for 64k on a pull which only happens on light blue or lower mobs which you were not fighting, which means you were taking a finishing blow that anyone can do when a mob is fleeing and saying that was done on a pull.
Headshot only works on barely light blue mobs and lower, and only on certain ones at that. It's situational and not going to work in any worthwhile group exp zone. Finishing blow is something all melee can get and it will hit a mob that is fleeing for 64k if they are level 80 or lower.
Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Hatsee wrote:You're an idiot.To hit for 64k it was a headshot on a light blue/green mob, or she did it on a mob at low health fleeing with finishing blow which every melee has I believe.If you want to make it sound like a class is OP in order to get it nerfed once again at least try to make a story believable. You can not HS FoS+ mobs, and anyone can FB them yes even with a bow. And no she did not do it on a pull. I assure you, sir, I am not an idiot. An idiot would insist on posting class specific issues in a general forum, expecting others to know that class-specific information aned expecting others, with their own issues, to comisserate with their whining.You insisted that your friend was hitting mobs for 64k on a pull which only happens on light blue or lower mobs which you were not fighting, which means you were taking a finishing blow that anyone can do when a mob is fleeing and saying that was done on a pull.Headshot only works on barely light blue mobs and lower, and only on certain ones at that. It's situational and not going to work in any worthwhile group exp zone. Finishing blow is something all melee can get and it will hit a mob that is fleeing for 64k if they are level 80 or lower.
Then let me not conjecture... Over the many years that our ranger has been pulling, including recently in non-trivial zones, she regularly brings back non-named mobs at half damage or, upon occaision, using some means at her disposal, kills them (in which case, we get an "oops, sorry, pulling another" message).
She is not a raider, but very hardcore and high end for a non-raider (I believe almost 3k AA's).
You figure out how she does it with her bow, then.
Edit Add: When I originally posted she did it, I figured you were smart enough to figure out how, since I am not sure, but can only conjecture. I guess my assumption was incorrect.
Hatsee wrote:Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Hatsee wrote:You're an idiot.To hit for 64k it was a headshot on a light blue/green mob, or she did it on a mob at low health fleeing with finishing blow which every melee has I believe.If you want to make it sound like a class is OP in order to get it nerfed once again at least try to make a story believable. You can not HS FoS+ mobs, and anyone can FB them yes even with a bow. And no she did not do it on a pull. I assure you, sir, I am not an idiot. An idiot would insist on posting class specific issues in a general forum, expecting others to know that class-specific information aned expecting others, with their own issues, to comisserate with their whining.You insisted that your friend was hitting mobs for 64k on a pull which only happens on light blue or lower mobs which you were not fighting, which means you were taking a finishing blow that anyone can do when a mob is fleeing and saying that was done on a pull.Headshot only works on barely light blue mobs and lower, and only on certain ones at that. It's situational and not going to work in any worthwhile group exp zone. Finishing blow is something all melee can get and it will hit a mob that is fleeing for 64k if they are level 80 or lower. Then let me not conjecture... Over the many years that our ranger has been pulling, including recently in non-trivial zones, she regularly brings back non-named mobs at half damage or, upon occaision, using some means at her disposal, kills them (in which case, we get an "oops, sorry, pulling another" message).She is not a raider, but very hardcore and high end for a non-raider (I believe almost 3k AA's).You figure out how she does it with her bow, then.
Your stories don't add up, we simply can not do what you are saying. If she is simply grabbing a mob and bringing it to the group there is no way that she does what you say. If she takes 5 minutes and roots it to pick away at it then it's possible, but otherwise not a chance. Unless you are fighing light blue or lower mobs, it's just not possible.
Nice edit, I'm not the necro that doesn't know a thing about another class that's making up stories in an attempt to for some reason cockblock an archery increase that most of us do not even want.
One of the only ways a ranger can get a 64k hit is ... Headshot. Headshot is capped at a certain level, depending on the rank of the AA. Right now, mobs have to be low light blue (at max ranks, at 85) in order to be Headshot. I'd have to check allak, but I don't believe there's much of anything in FoS or higher zones that can be Headshot right now that you would want to pull anyway.
The only other way is Finishing Blow - something that would not happen until the mob is fleeing.
Now, it certainly is possible that in FoS (or Tosk) your friend is pulling the weak con animals with snare and bowing them down while running back with it. Those mobs have very low HP for their level. You won't be getting Headshots off of them, but a couple 1.6k crits with a high damage bow can certainly reduce their HP, particularly if its either a long pull or your friend is kiting the mob until someone else roots it for CC. No one is going to be "hardcore" and stupid enough to continue damaging a mob they expect a chanter to mez.
As far as the OP goes ... NO THANKS. Archery has too many problems associated with it for anyone to rationally examine it and suggest that it should be anyone's primary form of damage. Read up on it in the ranger forum on this board, and on ranger class boards, if you're curious as to what they are - they've been stated often enough. Aside from Sureshot burns, I'm happy using archery only on raid trash (its easier, and not like the stuff's living long anyway) and not at all in groups.
I didn't think of the weak con animals, however they don't give a lot of exp and it doesn't make sense to pull them unless you are solo'ing.
Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Edit Add: When I originally posted she did it, I figured you were smart enough to figure out how, since I am not sure, but can only conjecture. I guess my assumption was incorrect.Nice edit, I'm not the necro that doesn't know a thing about another class that's making up stories in an attempt to for some reason cockblock an archery increase that most of us do not even want.
I'm not making up stories, I am remembering lots of pulls and remembering times I've seen her do 64k crits with her bow.
As I said, i apologize for conjecturing how she did it, that was wrong, sicne I do not know rangers. I assumed you knew rangers and thus originally did not attempt to provide explanation for what I have clearly seen. If you are unable to do it or do not understand how she does it, then I suppose niether of us are qualified to conjecture how she does it - but she does do it.
EDIT ADD: However, back to the OP... If you want Archery as your primary DPS, I think you need to post on the ranger boards, since it is apparent that is not what the community wanted 5 years ago and, perhaps, still doesn't want.
And I agree with the other poster - I would love a pure archery class and would consider rolling a new toon to try it.
The main thing I wonder is, EQ has what? 7 melee classes? Why is the Ranger forced to be the 8th? The bow damage should be at least even with what they can put out melee wise, if not better.An easy and fair way to fix this would be possibly making bow damage, while a mob is being tanked do 4x instead of 2x. That way the bow isn't buffed for soloing (though I still don't see whats wrong with that, but I know people would complain)If you don't agree, what is a good reason to force Rangers to melee in group/raid content? I created my Ranger back in PoP when bows were actually good. If I wanted to just be another melee, I would have stuck with my monk to pull, or rogue/zerker for melee dps.
That might be ok for non-disc scenarios (although even then, it might be a tad high). That's be absolutely overpowered under disc.
EricaBlueStars wrote:Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Karthos wrote:Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Hmm, perhaps I am remembering incorrectly, but perhaps you should have this discussion on the ranger boards, since the Ranger community had this fight years ago, when the decision to change your epic 1.5 from a bow to a sword was made... a majority of rangers didn't want their significant DPS to come from a bow.That said, we don't usually let our ranger pull cause she usually kills the pulled mobs with her bow before they arrive in camp, depriving the rest of us of our fun Why would the ranger be pulling trivial light blue and green mobs in a group? How about finding a non trivial zone to group in?Sorry, our eJohnsons are not as big as yours, please get over yourself. We're quite happy clearing trash before named pulls. And who said trivial light blues and greens? Haven't significantly hunted them in awhile...She's headshot in Tosk and Korofax, kited mobs around the group a couple of times to give the chanter a chance to lock down adds, only to have the pull arrive almost (or completely) dead.His "eJohnson" isn't big. Hes just stating an obvious fact that if you were pulling anything level 85 they would not be dead or almost dead by the time they got to you.I didn't say every mob anyway. She does a TON of damage on pulls, especially long ones, with her bow. We saw it a LOT in FoS, when we were still doing it and she'd occaisionally crit (ok, I might have misunderstood head shot, I am not a ranger) for 64k or more. I know she uses special arrows and discs a lot. The bottom line is that she does damage with her bow comparable (and often more) than me, a Necro. Since a ranger is a hybrid, I don't think that's right, since my only raison d'etre is DPS. Not whining about MY DPS, but see no need for yet more.
You're highly misinformed, at best. You can't headshot in FoS. It only works on humanoids level 72 and under. The only thing that could 64k is finishing blow, as mentioned. There is, absolutely, no other way to hit that high. I own the highest damage bow in the game and under max discs, with shaman epic (for even bigger crits), and I can assure you, 64k is completely out of the question.
you are easily doing 5 times the damage of the next closest range that anyone else can do already. I dont see a ber with the lvl 81 axe hitg for 4-5k on a crit.
ranged for rangers is more than sufficient for what it is. ramgers are already parsing near the top of raids, leave well enough alone before you get your class nerfed because people start throwing out "tricks of the trade"
Frobus, please catch up and read before posting. I've already acknowledged that I misspoke.
yeuxdesoir wrote:
you are easily doing 5 times the damage of the next closest range that anyone else can do already. I dont see a ber with the lvl 81 axe hitg for 4-5k on a crit. ranged for rangers is more than sufficient for what it is. ramgers are already parsing near the top of raids, leave well enough alone before you get your class nerfed because people start throwing out "tricks of the trade"
We did get nerfed, and it was a pretty decent one too. If you still can't beat us you suck, sorry.
Also our only viable disc for the longest time was an archery disc, actually it's still our only viable disc most of the time, once zerkers are pigeon holed into only having one disc that's worth using ever at all then maybe I'd feel for them and their lack of throwing damage.
Silly Frobus, facts don't belong in ranger threads! How else can we do overwhelming DPS, keep the raid healed, lock down all adds, headshot farm Korafax and look so sexy while doing it?
Hatsee wrote:Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Edit Add: When I originally posted she did it, I figured you were smart enough to figure out how, since I am not sure, but can only conjecture. I guess my assumption was incorrect.Nice edit, I'm not the necro that doesn't know a thing about another class that's making up stories in an attempt to for some reason cockblock an archery increase that most of us do not even want.I'm not making up stories, I am remembering lots of pulls and remembering times I've seen her do 64k crits with her bow.As I said, i apologize for conjecturing how she did it, that was wrong, sicne I do not know rangers. I assumed you knew rangers and thus originally did not attempt to provide explanation for what I have clearly seen. If you are unable to do it or do not understand how she does it, then I suppose niether of us are qualified to conjecture how she does it - but she does do it.EDIT ADD: However, back to the OP... If you want Archery as your primary DPS, I think you need to post on the ranger boards, since it is apparent that is not what the community wanted 5 years ago and, perhaps, still doesn't want.And I agree with the other poster - I would love a pure archery class and would consider rolling a new toon to try it.
so what would be the difference between a pure archery class and say a wizard? Not much in my eyes.
except eq has never had a pure archery class.
the only thing rangers and wizards have in common is that theyre both way overpowered right now compared to the rest of norrath.
and if you think ANY class can match a ranger with thrown or bow damage you are smoking crack.
the only thing rangers and wizards have in common is that theyre both way overpowered right now compared to the rest of norrath. and if you think ANY class can match a ranger with thrown or bow damage you are smoking crack.
If you make bow damage as good as melee damage, what's the incentive to melee? It sort of works in WoW becauwse a Hunter is really a caster that carries a bow around, since any kind of arrow that actually does damage uses mana. You can probably copy this but why go through all this work? Do you really think you'll somehow become some kind of godly DPS from range? No, you'll probably still be somewhere around average to above average DPS assuming this bow revamp didn't just gut the rest of your utility. And yet Rangers are already average to above average DPS anyway, so what's the point?
As a side note, weak con animals have around 50K HP. It's not a lot but it's not something you accidentally bow a few times and get the mob to flee. Besides, who the heck kites weak con animals around? They're more like collatoral damage. If you run into one or five of them while pulling something else it just sort of dies as an accident.
id say vinelash and headshot make for some pretty decent xp. definitely not something you can do in melee combat.
I created my Ranger back in PoP when bows were actually good.
You mean back when they were using elemental weapons before they were elemental? Yeah that was good compared to everyone else that wasn't elemental geared.
Thulack-Secrecy wrote:
Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Hatsee wrote:Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Edit Add: When I originally posted she did it, I figured you were smart enough to figure out how, since I am not sure, but can only conjecture. I guess my assumption was incorrect.Nice edit, I'm not the necro that doesn't know a thing about another class that's making up stories in an attempt to for some reason cockblock an archery increase that most of us do not even want.I'm not making up stories, I am remembering lots of pulls and remembering times I've seen her do 64k crits with her bow.As I said, i apologize for conjecturing how she did it, that was wrong, sicne I do not know rangers. I assumed you knew rangers and thus originally did not attempt to provide explanation for what I have clearly seen. If you are unable to do it or do not understand how she does it, then I suppose niether of us are qualified to conjecture how she does it - but she does do it.EDIT ADD: However, back to the OP... If you want Archery as your primary DPS, I think you need to post on the ranger boards, since it is apparent that is not what the community wanted 5 years ago and, perhaps, still doesn't want.And I agree with the other poster - I would love a pure archery class and would consider rolling a new toon to try it.so what would be the difference between a pure archery class and say a wizard? Not much in my eyes.
Non mana based ranged DPS and... lore. We get that with Zerkers, but, try as I might (even though I am from Northern European ancestry) I can't get into the Zerker Roleplay. The classic, literary Ranger (Aragorn) or Archer (Legolas, William Tell, Robin Hood) I can certainly identify with.
I know that long ago, there was a lot of talk about risk vs. reward as it applied to damage dealers. That ranged damage provided reward (DPS) with less risk (damage).
Not sure how that all resolves down, especially considering SOE's pet Wizard class, but that was the talk long ago...
This thread makes baby Jesus cry.
Really, because you don't seem to be apologizing much for it, given your insult thrown at a very good ranger.
"If you are unable to do it or do not understand how she does it, then I suppose niether of us are qualified to conjecture how she does it - but she does do it."
You're still implying that rangers do great bow dps, all the time apparently. It's completely false. With a group bow, autofire won't do any more than about 1k dps under non-disc scenarios. That's not great. That's not even good. And that also means like 500dps while kiting. You're saying that they constantly end up killing stuff on pulls like that? It's not believable at all.
Frobus wrote:
Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Frobus, please catch up and read before posting. I've already acknowledged that I misspoke.Really, because you don't seem to be apologizing much for it, given your insult thrown at a very good ranger."If you are unable to do it or do not understand how she does it, then I suppose niether of us are qualified to conjecture how she does it - but she does do it."You're still implying that rangers do great bow dps, all the time apparently. It's completely false. With a group bow, autofire won't do any more than about 1k dps under non-disc scenarios. That's not great. That's not even good. And that also means like 500dps while kiting. You're saying that they constantly end up killing stuff on pulls like that? It's not believable at all.
Because I have seen her do it. If you can't do it, or don't know how, then it must be you that sucks, not her, since I've seen her do it.
I acknowledged that i misspoke when i attempted to explain (in response to a query) how she does it - I do not know how. She doesnt' do it all the time, not on every mob, but often enough that we frequently laugh about "pulling like a ranger"... Which is much like "pulling like a necro" (which we also laugh about) because I often dot several times on long pulls.
I still don't even understand why this thread was posted on the vet board. Again, I will conjecture (possibly wrongly) that it is purely for trolling purposes, since it can accomplish nothing but irritate the rest of the community. It may very well irritate the rest of the Ranger community on the ranger boards and that might be the reason for posting here.,
This entire discussion belongs on the ranger boards, where somebody might actually care.
EDIT ADD: And if your problem is that you have massive bow DPS some of the time, but not all of the time, go talk to the Paladins and see how much empathy you get over there.
Frobus wrote:Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Frobus, please catch up and read before posting. I've already acknowledged that I misspoke.Really, because you don't seem to be apologizing much for it, given your insult thrown at a very good ranger."If you are unable to do it or do not understand how she does it, then I suppose niether of us are qualified to conjecture how she does it - but she does do it."You're still implying that rangers do great bow dps, all the time apparently. It's completely false. With a group bow, autofire won't do any more than about 1k dps under non-disc scenarios. That's not great. That's not even good. And that also means like 500dps while kiting. You're saying that they constantly end up killing stuff on pulls like that? It's not believable at all. Because I have seen her do it. If you can't do it, or don't know how, then it must be you that sucks, not her, since I've seen her do it.I acknowledged that i misspoke when i attempted to explain (in response to a query) how she does it - I do not know how. She doesnt' do it all the time, not on every mob, but often enough that we frequently laugh about "pulling like a ranger"... Which is much like "pulling like a necro" (which we also laugh about) because I often dot several times on long pulls. I still don't even understand why this thread was posted on the vet board. Again, I will conjecture (possibly wrongly) that it is purely for trolling purposes, since it can accomplish nothing but irritate the rest of the community. It may very well irritate the rest of the Ranger community on the ranger boards and that might be the reason for posting here.,This entire discussion belongs on the ranger boards, where somebody might actually care.
Autofire dps under non-disc is not good. Rest assured, I don't suck, especially at dps. Not to mention, no where in there did I say your friend sucks, like you seem to be implying. Don't put words in my mouth. I said I think you're misinformed, or exaggerating. Because, again, non-disc autofire with a group bow will do no more thank 1k dps, and half that on a moving or rooted target. That isn't good. It can be good under discs, but that's once per 35 (or whatever, I forget exact reuse with AAs) minutes.
I appreciate being told I suck for pretty much no reason though.
Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Frobus wrote:Klonn_Darkbane wrote:Frobus, please catch up and read before posting. I've already acknowledged that I misspoke.Really, because you don't seem to be apologizing much for it, given your insult thrown at a very good ranger."If you are unable to do it or do not understand how she does it, then I suppose niether of us are qualified to conjecture how she does it - but she does do it."You're still implying that rangers do great bow dps, all the time apparently. It's completely false. With a group bow, autofire won't do any more than about 1k dps under non-disc scenarios. That's not great. That's not even good. And that also means like 500dps while kiting. You're saying that they constantly end up killing stuff on pulls like that? It's not believable at all. Because I have seen her do it. If you can't do it, or don't know how, then it must be you that sucks, not her, since I've seen her do it.I acknowledged that i misspoke when i attempted to explain (in response to a query) how she does it - I do not know how. She doesnt' do it all the time, not on every mob, but often enough that we frequently laugh about "pulling like a ranger"... Which is much like "pulling like a necro" (which we also laugh about) because I often dot several times on long pulls. I still don't even understand why this thread was posted on the vet board. Again, I will conjecture (possibly wrongly) that it is purely for trolling purposes, since it can accomplish nothing but irritate the rest of the community. It may very well irritate the rest of the Ranger community on the ranger boards and that might be the reason for posting here.,This entire discussion belongs on the ranger boards, where somebody might actually care.Autofire dps under non-disc is not good. Rest assured, I don't suck, especially at dps. Not to mention, no where in there did I say your friend sucks, like you seem to be implying. Don't put words in my mouth. I said I think you're misinformed, or exaggerating. Because, again, non-disc autofire with a group bow will do no more thank 1k dps, and half that on a moving or rooted target. That isn't good. It can be good under discs, but that's once per 35 (or whatever, I forget exact reuse with AAs) minutes.I appreciate being told I suck for pretty much no reason though.
I did say "if" and I also said not every mob, not every pull. Now you qualify and say "non-disc autofire". So apparently you don't suck, you do know how she does it. /shrug
I was only saying I've seen it happen.
and 1000/hit, no misses and no fizzles, no mana (or end?) consumption, no cost (endless quiver?), no recast delay, without any chance of getting hit, repeatedly without pushing a key (after the original autofire) certainly isn't a bad amount of damage. Short of a focussed necro DoT, is there anything else even close?
I created my Ranger back in PoP when bows were actually good. If I wanted to just be another melee, I would have stuck with my monk to pull, or rogue/zerker for melee dps.
Bow damage back then was overpowered. Maybe you didn't realize this?
i say increase bow and throwing dps for all classes
TECCA1rz2tbs3owns wrote:
Druids should be able to throw acorns or berries at people.
