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Ascendent Logic

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This has been bugging me for a while now so I thought I'd ask folks if you have any idea

If the General was the leader of the Sentinel Army that attacked Zion, how come he wasn't fried by the Mjolnir's EMP?

I've had a few other thoughts on the matter, but I'll leave it at that for now.


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I thought it was all one army, and the one at the end was just the "second wave". Maybe he was hiding out until that point, as the strategic leader.
Because it was also him who got the order to retire, and that was after the EMP.

Then again, it was hinted that he was the one hunting Niobe through the tunnels?


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The General was the OS for the Sentinels as a whole. He is not one sentinel, but he controls them all. Each commando we see, they are individual sentinels


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Yeah Generals throughout history tend not to get involved in the fighting but make orders from a safe distance. And anyway if he was knocked out by the EMP there would be no-one to command the sentinels who were about to destroy Zion before being ordered to stop.



Ascendent Logic

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OK, this is what kinda gets me, it could well be that the General led the army that was forced to stop, and that would actually make sense from some of the dialogue we've had from him. But then that makes him the leader of the reserve army that the machines managed to scrounge together when the EMP knocked out their main army - which doesn't exactly make him top of the pile when it comes to leadership!!

There's nothing to stop it making sense, it just doesn't quite fit in my mind


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Again, you're thinking of him as the single entity that he is in the Matrix. In the real he controlled ALL of the Sentinels. You're hung up on the fact that he mentioned being two places at nearly the same time, that's because as a program, he WAS everywhere. He saw what every sentinel saw and told them what to do. He as a program chased Niobe through the tunnels, but through the Sentinels that were there. He was also guiding the sentinels through the attack of Zion, both waves. However, there is nothing to suggest that he is physically there or that he had a body to start off with.

He was the CPU of the Sentinels, he gave them orders and received all the information they received. He is the brain of the Sentinels, ALL of them. He does not control just waves or battallions, he controls all of them at the same time.

Ok, here's the simple version.

General controls and sees what the Sentinels do, Sentinels do it. General is not a sentinel (as far as we know)

 



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It's been mentioned that he is a single entity outside of the Matrix.

 

"What about the General?" ~Player

"Oh, that old warship?" ~Oracle.




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I've heard people reffered to as axes or battleships before, so that's slightly inconclusive


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Another perspective:

Ballak wrote:

It's been mentioned that he is a single entity outside of the Matrix.

"What about the General?" ~Player

"Oh, that old warship?" ~Oracle.

This of course is After he's gone rogue.
No longer a part of the Machine whole.
While commanding the Sentinels he was part of the Machine system and needed to control, yes the sentinels attacking Zion and chasing Niobe, but also the ones defending 01 from Neo and Trinity.

After he refused to follow orders he became an exile
-- his sentience as part of the whole was cut off, and then only existed in (an) individual sentinel(s), giving him a physical 'body' in the Real.  At that point it would be more efficient and effective to centralize his consciousness in one body as he would no longer have the ability to instantly transfer information to/from every sentinel at once.



Message edited by Qwirk on 04/05/2007 21:25:01.


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his goals differ from the others



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there are 2 schools of leadership into combat, there is the alexander the great school of thought where riding into battle along with your men inspires them, and then there is the second school of thought where the "important people" need to distance themselves from the fighting to properly command (also known as the *CENSORED* commander school of thought)

 

the machines really did need motivation to attack and destroy zion, plus the general did not get zapped in the emp, so we can assess that the general believes in the latter school of thought

 

so, such a massive battle, the general was likely in zero one in a bunker



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EMP's do not have infinite range.  It would be easy for the Machines to send in some sentinels and let Zion use up all their EMP's on them, and then attack with another wave of sentinels.

 

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Shadow Griever wrote:
The General was the OS for the Sentinels as a whole. He is not one sentinel, but he controls them all. Each commando we see, they are individual sentinels


He is the War Program, and nothing else. He is the collective consciousness of ALL of the Sentinels, or at least the central brain of them all. It could be said that when the Deus Ex Machina accepted Neo's offer of peace that the signal was immediately relayed to "The General" and from there it trickled down into the other Sentinels.

The General probably doesn't even have a location outside of the Matrix. He travels between all of the Sentinels, within pico-seconds.




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Allow me to remove some of the confusion in this thread.

Think of The General as a strategist and commander.  I've never seen any evidence to support him being the consciousness for sentinals.  He designed the attack against Zion based on the previous successful attacks he lead against them and his knowledge gained from studying the historic wars of men.  Elements of his strategy that can be seen in the attack are the use of different waves of sentinals and using the drills.  He didn't need to be on the battlefield, he just commanded the army.

The Commandos or sentinals are not "controlled" by him, but they follow his orders.  As you can plainly see for yourself in the last cinematic.

When Dues Ex Machina sent a command to the General to stop the attack, (an attack that was assured success) he refused and was removed from his position.  He went into exile along with all of the sentinals that would follow him.




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ZaneZavin wrote:

Allow me to remove some of the confusion in this thread.

Think of The General as a strategist and commander.  I've never seen any evidence to support him being the consciousness for sentinals.  He designed the attack against Zion based on the previous successful attacks he lead against them and his knowledge gained from studying the historic wars of men.  Elements of his strategy that can be seen in the attack are the use of different waves of sentinals and using the drills.  He didn't need to be on the battlefield, he just commanded the army.

The Commandos or sentinals are not "controlled" by him, but they follow his orders.  As you can plainly see for yourself in the last cinematic.

When Dues Ex Machina sent a command to the General to stop the attack, (an attack that was assured success) he refused and was removed from his position.  He went into exile along with all of the sentinals that would follow him.

He is software. I'd argue that he is hardwired into each and every Sentinel, with no central location. The onl physicaly representation there is of this War Program would be The General we see in the Matrix and that's not even physical.

 
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