[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

**Goligoth**

MetaLogic wrote:

Once again, I would like to reiterate that the Cypherite Organization in Recursion do not condone the killing of Mr. Manohar for any reason.

..I second that.

**MotorZ**

((great event idea here, I liked the reactions of the Machinists in it.))

BaronMontesquiou

Ha! And they say The Merovingian is ruthless.

I must say that this is a response more beffiting the Machines as we know them. Good show, Madame Agent. It is always good to be reminded that, as beautiful as a rose is, it still has thorns.

Should any Machinist operatives feel the shackles of Machine servitude are beginning to chafe, feel free to contact your neighborhood Merovingian Liaison Officer. At least with The Merovingian, you always know on which side you are truly standing.

Arrivederci,

**Illyria22**

We're at war. And in all wars, innocent people die. There's no way around it, unfortunately.

Illyria

**Croesis**

I cannot say that I am particularly happy with the means with which we gained access to Zion's extraction mainframe, but I can understand the thinking of the Machines. However if this one regrettable act saves at least one life in the long term then I shall feel a lot better about it.

I do not believe that any Organisation is above killing bluepills for their own ends, even those who claim to want to protect them. Yes this is war as Illyria says, killing innocents is something to try to avoid, but there will always be innocent casualties of war and as I said, it is regrettable.

**Roukan**

LtCmdr_Tsusai wrote:

Roukan wrote:
((Aww, Rarebit got none of our epic 3 second stare down in the housing projects.

Looks like you to me.

LRN2READ kthnx =P I said in the housing projects, when Rare left.

**CPT_Starschwar**

Illyria22 wrote:

We're at war. And in all wars, innocent people die. There's no way around it, unfortunately.

Illyria

Yeah there is - in war you're not supposed to be killing the people you're supposed to protect! This is absurd - there's no reason he had to die. Lock the guy up, erase his memory, whatever. Killing him was completely and utterly unnessecary.

**GamiSB** · 08/10/2007 10:11:17

This is what I love about Machinist. "If one life can be saved it will be worth it". Bull *CENSORED*! What about his family huh? What about him and his own life? Did he sign up for it? Did he want to die? How many of you people walked in and told him he had to come with you for his protection. You lied to him to get his trust you and then once you had it you killed him. Nothing that comes from that is going to bring back what you just helped take away. Oh sure keep on chanting "it's for the greater good" all you like so you can fall asleep with a clear conscience but face the facts, the Machine organization is not interested in saving lives, is not interested in humanities well being, and is only interested in controlling and dominating the human race through any means necessary

This isn't the first time they have killed a bluepill for the "greater good" and I'm sure it won't be the last.

**Alphaea**

Illyria22 wrote:

We're at war. And in all wars, innocent people die. There's no way around it, unfortunately.

Illyria

Yet you lambaste us every time we step on a pigeon. You want to criticize us for supposed 'collateral damage' then quit killing bluepills. And don't tell me you haven't because ever since the beginning of the truce the subject of Neo and Morph's pre-truce forays into the matrix has been brought up as a way to try and guilt us folks who were actually looking for peace. Either protect the system without harming it or get off my back. *CENSORED* hypocrits.

**Garu**

No, it WAS necessary. Zion and EPN refuse to stop awakening bluepills. If we have to kill one to give them pause, then so be it. His death was a means to a reaction.

This is the real world, folks. This is also war. All this idealistic banter does nothing. You can't save everyone, so you save as many as you can. Majority rules, eh?

**Croesis**

kou_urake wrote:

Illyria22 wrote:
We're at war. And in all wars, innocent people die. There's no way around it, unfortunately.

Illyria

Yeah there is - in war you're not supposed to be killing the people you're supposed to protect! This is absurd - there's no reason he had to die. Lock the guy up, erase his memory, whatever. Killing him was completely and utterly unnessecary.

I wonder if there was a reason why they couldn't wipe his mind, but then again, wiping someone's mind is in effect killing them anyway, sacrificing a personality for a preferred new one, it will never be the same person again. Adding a program to someone's mind may not be altering their personality, but it may cause problems possibly resulting in degradation, ie. dying.

**Garu**

It wasn't a matter of wiping his mind. Zion was going to approach him. He was on the List. This action was meant to give them pause. Awakenings are no longer permitted and yet they defy that relentlessly.

Examples must be made.

**Alphaea**

Oh, so it's the "greater good" then. If I had one info for everytime...

**Croesis**

Alphaea wrote:

Illyria22 wrote:
We're at war. And in all wars, innocent people die. There's no way around it, unfortunately.

Illyria
Yet you lambaste us every time we step on a pigeon. You want to criticize us for supposed 'collateral damage' then quit killing bluepills. And don't tell me you haven't because ever since the beginning of the truce the subject of Neo and Morph's pre-truce forays into the matrix has been brought up as a way to try and guilt us folks who were actually looking for peace. Either protect the system without harming it or get off my back. *CENSORED* hypocrits.

Killing a bluepill as a means to do something is one thing, killing untold numbers of bluepills for the possibility of finding something is completely different.

**Garu**

Alphaea wrote:

Oh, so it's the "greater good" then. If I had one info for everytime...

...Zion has already killed a blue pill. Yeah we'd both be rich.