(( 1. Creating an entire organisation. Inefficient (lots of resources used to keep it secret, recruit members and program a leader), but with the goal of keeping Redpill levels nominal (ergo keeping power levels efficient).
Wrong its more efficent for the Machines to create and organization to keep thre hired redpills in control That's, uh, exactly what I meant. It is efficient - in the end! 2. Hiring Redpills. Inefficient (hovercrafts need to be built, humans need to be fed), but with the goal of keeping human relations optimal and the Matrix in good running order.
Wrong, hireing redpills has doubled if not tripled there efficienty in handling problems within the Matrix. I know it is! That's exactly what I said! They hired Redpills for the sake of efficiency. But that efficiency was only apparent after the hiring. The hiring process itself was inefficient. 3. Creating cheat codes. Dangerous, unecessary, but with the goal of... actually, I don't know what the point of the cheat codes was, so it couldn't've been that good.
Wrong the codes were very efficent for there intended purpose. It was there sides effects of the codes that created the problems but the codes themselves were very helpful. The codes were meant to be helpful, but making them (as in - and stay with me here - the process of making them) was inefficient. However, this is a moot point as they never got to use the codes anyway. 4. This is the big one. Maintaining the Truce. The most inefficient thing the Machines have ever done, but something they've placed on a very high priority despite the vast array of problems it's caused over the past two or three years.
Again wrong, the truce keeping them alive as much as it is Zion. If one side dies all sides die as there is no One program in this version of the Matrix and the Smith virus that is still inside the Matrix. What the-...? Where did you get that from? All they need to do is restart the Matrix. They have/had Neo, ergo they have the prime program. They've got lots of Redpill to repopulate Zion. Or, if they don't fancy that, they can scrap the whole deal and start again, like they did the first time. Every single step taken by the Machines is calculated, but not for immediate efficiency.
(( 1. Creating an entire organisation. Inefficient (lots of resources used to keep it secret, recruit members and program a leader), but with the goal of keeping Redpill levels nominal (ergo keeping power levels efficient). Wrong its more efficent for the Machines to create and organization to keep thre hired redpills in control That's, uh, exactly what I meant. It is efficient - in the end!How is the process inefficient? You take one program (gray in this case) to show you the rules and hand out assignments and humans do the rest. The steps taken to create an org are hardly inefficient. 2. Hiring Redpills. Inefficient (hovercrafts need to be built, humans need to be fed), but with the goal of keeping human relations optimal and the Matrix in good running order.Wrong, hireing redpills has doubled if not tripled there efficienty in handling problems within the Matrix. I know it is! That's exactly what I said! They hired Redpills for the sake of efficiency. But that efficiency was only apparent after the hiring. The hiring process itself was inefficient.Again, one person to open a door, humans do the rest. Hardly inefficient. 3. Creating cheat codes. Dangerous, unecessary, but with the goal of... actually, I don't know what the point of the cheat codes was, so it couldn't've been that good.Wrong the codes were very efficent for there intended purpose. It was there sides effects of the codes that created the problems but the codes themselves were very helpful. The codes were meant to be helpful, but making them (as in - and stay with me here - the process of making them) was inefficient. However, this is a moot point as they never got to use the codes anyway.The Machines didn't even make the codes. Kalt Chemical did. 4. This is the big one. Maintaining the Truce. The most inefficient thing the Machines have ever done, but something they've placed on a very high priority despite the vast array of problems it's caused over the past two or three years.Again wrong, the truce keeping them alive as much as it is Zion. If one side dies all sides die as there is no One program in this version of the Matrix and the Smith virus that is still inside the Matrix. What the-...? Where did you get that from? All they need to do is restart the Matrix. They have/had Neo, ergo they have the prime program. They've got lots of Redpill to repopulate Zion. Or, if they don't fancy that, they can scrap the whole deal and start again, like they did the first time.I'll spell it out then. Zion destroyed redpill inhabitance gone. All problems for human machine operatives to handle are slowly decreasing and in a matter of time keeping freed humans alive becomes inefficient. Smith at some point will again surface and start taking over everything again. Thus, Matrix gone, Zion, gone man and machine gone. Every single step taken by the Machines is calculated, but not for immediate efficiency. Ever step is calculated to make sure that it is the most effient way of reaching there objective. If the Machines want the Cypherites trust back lying to them is not the way to get it.)) Their objective is efficient, yes. That's what I've been saying! But their means of obtaining those objectives need not be efficient in and of themselves. And who on Earth said they want the Cypherites' trust back? They've already considered terminating them (in a Machinist critical mission).Trust, cooperate, whatever. They want them to follow there orders is the bottem line. Lying is not the way to do it. Your inability to produce a single step taken to any objective that has been inefficient continues to just prove my point that every step is calculated for its own efficiency to reach an objective. I refuse to argue this any further, because I'm pointing out very obvious things. You know, facts of life (albeit set in a fictional universe). Efficiency is rarely obtained in a single step. Sacrifices must be made for the greater good. ))All you have pointed out is that the end game has been efficient and your own ignorance into the mind of a Machine. You don't break a clog to make the machine work. You make sure every piece is in perfect condition and operating at 100%))
Wrong its more efficent for the Machines to create and organization to keep thre hired redpills in control That's, uh, exactly what I meant. It is efficient - in the end!
How is the process inefficient? You take one program (gray in this case) to show you the rules and hand out assignments and humans do the rest. The steps taken to create an org are hardly inefficient. 2. Hiring Redpills. Inefficient (hovercrafts need to be built, humans need to be fed), but with the goal of keeping human relations optimal and the Matrix in good running order.
Wrong, hireing redpills has doubled if not tripled there efficienty in handling problems within the Matrix. I know it is! That's exactly what I said! They hired Redpills for the sake of efficiency. But that efficiency was only apparent after the hiring. The hiring process itself was inefficient.
Again, one person to open a door, humans do the rest. Hardly inefficient. 3. Creating cheat codes. Dangerous, unecessary, but with the goal of... actually, I don't know what the point of the cheat codes was, so it couldn't've been that good.
Wrong the codes were very efficent for there intended purpose. It was there sides effects of the codes that created the problems but the codes themselves were very helpful. The codes were meant to be helpful, but making them (as in - and stay with me here - the process of making them) was inefficient. However, this is a moot point as they never got to use the codes anyway.
The Machines didn't even make the codes. Kalt Chemical did. 4. This is the big one. Maintaining the Truce. The most inefficient thing the Machines have ever done, but something they've placed on a very high priority despite the vast array of problems it's caused over the past two or three years.
Again wrong, the truce keeping them alive as much as it is Zion. If one side dies all sides die as there is no One program in this version of the Matrix and the Smith virus that is still inside the Matrix. What the-...? Where did you get that from? All they need to do is restart the Matrix. They have/had Neo, ergo they have the prime program. They've got lots of Redpill to repopulate Zion. Or, if they don't fancy that, they can scrap the whole deal and start again, like they did the first time.
I'll spell it out then. Zion destroyed redpill inhabitance gone. All problems for human machine operatives to handle are slowly decreasing and in a matter of time keeping freed humans alive becomes inefficient. Smith at some point will again surface and start taking over everything again. Thus, Matrix gone, Zion, gone man and machine gone. Every single step taken by the Machines is calculated, but not for immediate efficiency.
Ever step is calculated to make sure that it is the most effient way of reaching there objective. If the Machines want the Cypherites trust back lying to them is not the way to get it.)) Their objective is efficient, yes. That's what I've been saying! But their means of obtaining those objectives need not be efficient in and of themselves. And who on Earth said they want the Cypherites' trust back? They've already considered terminating them (in a Machinist critical mission).
Trust, cooperate, whatever. They want them to follow there orders is the bottem line. Lying is not the way to do it. Your inability to produce a single step taken to any objective that has been inefficient continues to just prove my point that every step is calculated for its own efficiency to reach an objective. I refuse to argue this any further, because I'm pointing out very obvious things. You know, facts of life (albeit set in a fictional universe). Efficiency is rarely obtained in a single step. Sacrifices must be made for the greater good. ))
All you have pointed out is that the end game has been efficient and your own ignorance into the mind of a Machine. You don't break a clog to make the machine work. You make sure every piece is in perfect condition and operating at 100%))
SkyBruin-ML wrote:That being said Gray's statement is vague enough to warrant further clarification.Doesn't that go agisnt how an Agent is programed then? Every time I've ever talked to an Agent they have always been stright and to the point.
That being said Gray's statement is vague enough to warrant further clarification.
(( The Sleepwalkers were Bluepills that never left their pods.))
I really do feel sorry for Cryptos, and there are alot of parallels between him and Morpheus, both believed so hard, and fell just as hard when shown it wasn't exactly what they believed.
But, a reminder, Morpheus did get what he wanted in the end (Peace), it just did not come out the way he planned.
I know I said earlier that the Cypherites are up against the wall, well, Cryptos is trapped in his own box, and if he's paralleling Morpheus, we may need to keep a few more eyes than nature gave us on him
Side Note: I'm now in the process of promoting a Matrix Battle of the Bands: Dreami vs Soluma
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Desc1ple wrote:GamiSB wrote: 1. she is no where to be found in any of the screenshots till then end. 2. It takes awhile for Veil to even show herself after Gray had left 3. as I have already stated what good would pissing off the spies you just hired after they left you the first time for lying to them. It's not logical, something that is the backbone of every Machine scheme.)) Veil is an MKT no? They can be stealthed, can they not? see number 2
GamiSB wrote: 1. she is no where to be found in any of the screenshots till then end. 2. It takes awhile for Veil to even show herself after Gray had left 3. as I have already stated what good would pissing off the spies you just hired after they left you the first time for lying to them. It's not logical, something that is the backbone of every Machine scheme.)) Veil is an MKT no? They can be stealthed, can they not?
1. she is no where to be found in any of the screenshots till then end. 2. It takes awhile for Veil to even show herself after Gray had left 3. as I have already stated what good would pissing off the spies you just hired after they left you the first time for lying to them. It's not logical, something that is the backbone of every Machine scheme.))
1. she is no where to be found in any of the screenshots till then end. 2. It takes awhile for Veil to even show herself after Gray had left 3. as I have already stated what good would pissing off the spies you just hired after they left you the first time for lying to them.
It's not logical, something that is the backbone of every Machine scheme.))
GamiSB wrote:Desc1ple wrote:GamiSB wrote: 1. she is no where to be found in any of the screenshots till then end. 2. It takes awhile for Veil to even show herself after Gray had left 3. as I have already stated what good would pissing off the spies you just hired after they left you the first time for lying to them. It's not logical, something that is the backbone of every Machine scheme.)) Veil is an MKT no? They can be stealthed, can they not? see number 2 Ah, so you know exactly how long transpired between Gray leaving and Veil revealing herself because you were there right? Oh wait no one was there. Then of course there's the whole matter of whether or not she was supposed to be there in the first place, so perhaps waiting until Gray is surely gone is probably the best idea before revealing your presence. However, since you were obviously there and I was not you win this argument.
Alright... Alright... Let us see where this goes.
This gives me a whole new reason to jack back in. Gray, you really are something else. Makes me almost miss being a Machinist.
Almost.
okay, I hate to be that little *CENSORED* who points out the truth...actually, sometimes it's fun, but now I hate to be that guy. Everyone who keeps saying "Gray has to be more specific, maybe it was only for Cryptos, bla bla bla bla bla" I have a strong feeling, that sorry kids, you're WRONG. The thing is, you're having a large problem of facing the truth, and getting over it. Trust me, I know how hard and PimP slap to the face the truth can be, but like that Maskette Haigen said, you have to move on.
Oh, and by the way, see the little sneaky the Machines pulled, trying to get cypher to believe he could be resinerted, that's exactly why you should join up with them, always have a back up plan or another set of cards hidden under the table. Join Up
Oh, & whoever said those who were reinserted were probably killed off, you're probably right, some kind of drug death I am assuming, most of the Operatives who thought they were being reinserted probably fought off the drug with their large amount of Innerstrength
-Dh
Desc1ple wrote:GamiSB wrote:Desc1ple wrote:GamiSB wrote: 1. she is no where to be found in any of the screenshots till then end. 2. It takes awhile for Veil to even show herself after Gray had left 3. as I have already stated what good would pissing off the spies you just hired after they left you the first time for lying to them. It's not logical, something that is the backbone of every Machine scheme.)) Veil is an MKT no? They can be stealthed, can they not? see number 2 Ah, so you know exactly how long transpired between Gray leaving and Veil revealing herself because you were there right? Oh wait no one was there. Then of course there's the whole matter of whether or not she was supposed to be there in the first place, so perhaps waiting until Gray is surely gone is probably the best idea before revealing your presence. However, since you were obviously there and I was not you win this argument. No Im just useing common sence. I don't know how long it was but by looking at the three images between Gray hyperjumping and Veil finaly appearing you can tell that some time has passed. Which sudgested that rather then being in sneak she jacked in there and came after the meeting had already happend. Also yeah Veil is an MKT but shes also been a SMG specialist and awakened before. Are you saying you were there and know what she was loaded as?
