[Those lucky enough to have the 10-DVD Ultimate Matrix Collection can listen to the commentaries by prominent philosophical figures to gain more insight, including assumptions about duality and the pitfalls of Manachian polarism.]
Yeah those are really good. The pitfalls of polarism is why I think a lot of people loved the first movie and hated or were confused by the sequels. The first movie is pure dualism and easy to understand: Man good, Machines evil. It's also a pitfall of what one sees first in Gnosticism, ie. the world is a corrupt illusion with no redeeming qualities, but that's only the early stage of Gnostic awakening. The second & third movie shows it's much more complicated than that, and simple duality is "just another form of control."
Another minor point of contention with Cornell and the other guy is they say that love is also dualistic: love for humanity (Agape) vs. love for the flesh (Eros). In fact, both are impersonal, and a reaction against those two impersonal forms of loves comes a third type of love (Amor) which is specific, individual love of a person for that person, which came about in Medieval times first manifesting themselves in the Arthurian Romances and progressing from there (or not )
the essay rarebit pointed out http://community.livejournal.com/ne...893.html#cutid1
was magnificient, but this one... being as narrowminded as peter and paul is the reason the church commited so many atrocities in history in the name of christ...
and thats the saddest thing about it, how greed intolerence and narrowmindedness twisted holy words into a system of spiritual and psychological control.
jesus told them not to judge, yet they judge sinners without looking out for their own sins... burned them at the stakes... self-rightous hypocrites... false prophets... making millions out of people's faith.
of course nothing is perfect in this world and no one is without flaws. i guess this means these flaws have purpose and striving for perfection gives meaning to existance... othervise there is only... nothingness... no reason for mouvement to exist and everything would be perfectly predictable, just like the machine world...
but feeling and choice, freewill is an unpredictable element in the equation that is the universe. and from that unpredictable element can be born, creativity...
reason ennough for the machines to let the humans live, to learn from them. but as they learn from them they begin to mimic them so they can understand them...
some programs embrace their newfound feelings, like sati's parents and sati herself or the oracle, and some programs ashamed of their feelings react to it with hate, like smith. the personnification of the universal drive to return to nothingness, to non-mouvement and non-life. present in all sentient bings and knows as the death drive... ( see freud and jung )
the death drive is so strong and powerfull backed up by the apearent innevitability of death only hope can preserve us from its self-destructing power ( like giving us suicidal impulses ) without hope only the death drive remains... the desire to die.
in us two wolves a black one and a white one, the strongest will be the one you feed the most.
cilar
What a twisting mind**** on what I have interpreted from the trilogy over the last 9 years! /applause Mercio
Just reading the subject line I was going into the thread with reservations but tried to remain openminded after your blurb about the paper. Though fundamentally flawed by some points touched on my Ps10n in his first post, suspension of disbelief will lead to a greater appreciation for your OP.This post has been edited because the poster circumvented the profanity filter. -Jury
So what was the grade?And another similarity...Don't eat from the Tree of Knowledge (take the red pill) Guys, now we gotta fix stuff! /sigh...Only a simple test, failed.
jesus told them not to judge, yet they judge sinners without looking out for their own sins... burned them at the stakes... self-rightous hypocrites... false prophets... making millions out of people's faith.Just a side note, but you do realize that the old testament advocates cruel death punishments for stuff like disobedience, adultery etc.?
http://community.livejournal.com/neo_ex_machina/?
So what was the grade?
I got a 49/50 on the project. Which is a solid A.
TimeMaker wrote:So what was the grade?I got a 49/50 on the project. Which is a solid A.
Zion represents religion and freedom, while The Machines (their "spokesman/representative" in the films (despite he is exiled), Smith) represent logic and science. Atheistic people believe that our only true destiny in life is to end, and as Smith says over and over--it is inevitable. While it is, our choices make us who we are. And thats what seperates the true believers from the systematic thinkers.
Zion represents religion and freedom, while The Machines (their "spokesman/representative" in the films (despite he is exiled), Smith) represent logic and science.
Atheistic people believe that our only true destiny in life is to end, and as Smith says over and over--it is inevitable. While it is, our choices make us who we are. And thats what seperates the true believers from the systematic thinkers.
This is very true the only time religion comes from the film is from Zion BUT if you look at it The Machines think they are god but until Neo comes along and thats when it all kicks off...
TheShickle wrote:Zion represents religion and freedom, while The Machines (their "spokesman/representative" in the films (despite he is exiled), Smith) represent logic and science. Atheistic people believe that our only true destiny in life is to end, and as Smith says over and over--it is inevitable. While it is, our choices make us who we are. And thats what seperates the true believers from the systematic thinkers.This is very true the only time religion comes from the film is from Zion BUT if you look at it The Machines think they are god but until Neo comes along and thats when it all kicks off...
KillLegends wrote:TheShickle wrote:Zion represents religion and freedom, while The Machines (their "spokesman/representative" in the films (despite he is exiled), Smith) represent logic and science. Atheistic people believe that our only true destiny in life is to end, and as Smith says over and over--it is inevitable. While it is, our choices make us who we are. And thats what seperates the true believers from the systematic thinkers.This is very true the only time religion comes from the film is from Zion BUT if you look at it The Machines think they are god but until Neo comes along and thats when it all kicks off... Interesting. So if Zion represents Religion and Freedom and the Machines represent Logic and Science, what does the Merovingian and his organisation represent?
