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nexus2revolution wrote:

The Architect cannot see past any choice. To him they are varibles to the equation that must be solved and countered. That is his mistake.

While he was busy thinking 2 dimensionally with Neo some serious stuff was going down in the simulation. Smith was beginning to get his groove on. We know the rest of the story.

The architects mistake? Not seeing and countering smith in time was the mistake.


So, Captain Necro, how could he have countered Smith?



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mmmm

good question!

i believe that the only way to counter what was going down was to leave it alone... let it play itself out.

the simulation was fubar, i believe every human being in the simulation died

it is my opinion that if the architect is to save machine city, he has to comepletly firewall the simulation. any virtual usb ports that are used as an exit have to be disconnected. we know them as mobil av's.  if smith got out thru a mobil av, it is over!

that is exactly what he did.

he countered the problem by isolating the matrix completely.

allow it to play itself out, which it did,and then restore the simulation with a REWRITING of all code so as to prevent such a situation from happening again.

that is the simulation that we currently find ourselves in.

there are programs running that prevent such a situation from ever happening again.

anyway

that is my opinion, and so ima wait for everyone to post a reply disagreeing with me.

lol


Message edited by nexus2revolution on 07/19/2008 05:59:02.


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So how can the Generals men get in and out of the simulation if the Architect 'Rewrote the simulation as to prevent such a situation from happening again'?

Besides blocking all entries and exists wouldn't prevent that kind of situation happening again, it was done within the simulation as a whole. But seeing as it's your own opinion, feel free to believe what you want I guess...

Message edited by Croesis on 07/13/2008 09:09:23.


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Oh god here we go again SMILEY



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Kybutra wrote:
Oh god here we go again SMILEY
Hey, as long as he maintains that it is his opinion and not fact as he tends to do, I'm not really too bothered SMILEY


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nexus2revolution wrote:

mmmm

good question!

i believe that the only way to counter what was going down was to leave it alone... let it play itself out.

Obviously not because Neo had already been created to be the counter. Smith is the manifestation of the Oracle changing things. Without her doing what she did Smith would never have become as much of a problem as he was. The question isn't how the Architect planned on countering Smith because that wasn't his mistake. The question is how did the Oracle plan on countering Smith which is in plan view.

the simulation was fubar, i believe every human being in the simulation died

So that's why we see the Oracle, Seraph, and Sati alive and well at the end? Smith only overwrote their code he didn't kill his host because a virus can not live without a host.

it is my opinion that if the architect is to save machine city, he has to comepletly firewall the simulation. any virtual usb ports that are used as an exit have to be disconnected. we know them as mobil av's.  if smith got out thru a mobil av, it is over!

that is exactly what he did.

he countered the problem by isolating the matrix completely.

Obviously not sense Neo got back in to fight Smith. Also as Neo tells Deus Ex Machina, the Smith program has grown beyond there control and he will spread throughout the real just as he did the Matrix if not fixed.

allow it to play itself out, which it did,and then restore the simulation with a REWRITING of all code so as to prevent such a situation from happening again.

We don't even see the Architect until the end of revolutions after his meeting with the Oracle and all of your speculation comes from some apparent knowledge you claim to posses to know what he was doing between the times we see him. Its actually much more likely that he was transported out of the Matrix and allowed the Oracle to fix the problem.

that is the simulation that we currently find ourselves in.

there are programs running that prevent such a situation from ever happening again.

No it isn't, we are in the same version the moves were in. Go back and read your other thread as everything you have ever claimed has already been refuted. And obviously not sense the Smith virus has returned twice sense then.

anyway

that is my opinion, and so ima wait for everyone to post a reply disagreeing with me.

lol

lol indeed.

To answer the OPs original question. Yes the Architect was responsible for making Neo choose the door he did. Dreams or not Neo had no way of knowing Trinity was jacked in. Love is not some mystical power that allows one to see what the person they love is doing or feel them. It is just a word used to express feelings one has for another. This goes back to the "Would you still have knocked it over if I hadn't said anything" question the Oracle hits him with the first time he meets her. The answer is no he wouldn't and this one is the same no he would not have picked that door if he never knew Trinity had jacked back in.

Is this a mistake? Can't say as his character leads on that he evaluates everything that happens so he must of had some reason for informing Neo of such.

The Oracle telling him he has the sight only means that he has the power to move faster than time. Time does not bind him like it does you and me and that is why he is able to catch her.

 




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Vinia wrote:
Kybutra wrote:
Oh god here we go again SMILEY
Hey, as long as he maintains that it is his opinion and not fact as he tends to do, I'm not really too bothered SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />
but its so much fun! =P



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oh that iz easy!

sentinals were dispatched to unplug the mobil av's

the general is a sentinal, he and his other sentinals just plug it back in.

and by the way these are my opinions, that is truth. if u can think of better explanation, feel free.

mmmm

if the mobil av's were not unplugged, smith would have got out.

oh btw i hope that no one thinks that because every year we see smith return as being an indication that he did get out for that is not the real smith! yes, it is true, the smith virus can effect u but since it is not catastrophic, that is further truth that programs are in place that prevent it from happening again.

that program called the smith virus is a very weakened version of the original.

that is all


Message edited by nexus2revolution on 07/19/2008 05:59:17.


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nexus2revolution wrote:

oh btw i hope that no one thinks that because every year we see smith return as being an indication that he did get out for that is not the real smith! yes, it is true, the smith virus can effect u but since it is not catastrophic, that is further truth that programs are in place that prevent it from happening again.

that program called the smith virus is a very weakened version of the original.

that is all


Right but the fact that Smith does come back in some form proves that there are not programs running that keep it from returning. Weakend or not, also the only reaons it has never been brought back to catastrophic level is because it is always put back in its place by all organizations. Should one day it return and no one is able to keep it in check it will continue to grow as it did.



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nexus2revolution wrote:

oh that iz easy!

sentinals were dispatched to unplug the mobil av's

the general is a sentinal, he and his other sentinals just plug it back in.

and by the way these are my opinions, that is truth. if u can think of better explanation, feel free.

They still have to transfer their program to the sentinel body, that's why the Merv attempted to use the trainman and had to rely on Effy to facilitate it the transfer. Removing the program to do this (Mobil Av was a transfer program/construct written by the trainman) isn't as simple as unplugging something. The very fact that it can be done shows that the Simulation wasn't rewritten to prevent programs from getting out and the simulation isn't isolated.

If the Smith Virus ever overwrote a Commando then he could simply leave the Simulation by transferring out via the transfer program (if Effy didn't notice any difference in the Commando) and simply unplugging as a sentinel.

Message edited by Croesis on 07/13/2008 10:10:36.


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I'm going to answer the original topic:

Let's keep in mind at this point, Smith has not copied onto the Oracles RSI yet, so therefore he isn't considered a problem that can not be resolved. So if Neo chose to reset, no more Smith virus. If there was any trickery involved here, wouldn't it make more sense to trick him into the other door, or lie about which one is which? That's right... the problem is choice. All the Arc did here, was give Neo a fair  and informed choice. Really don't think it goes much deeper.

Message edited by AqueousRei on 07/13/2008 10:40:53.

 
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