Is it time?

**GamiSB**

MatrixRefugee wrote:

I could see the Cyphs disbanding, since their purpose is over and, if I remember correctly, wasn't Cryptos told there was little to no chance for anyone to be reinserted into the Matrix? The EPN, however, are still awaiting the return of Neo/the One, and with the Truce over, I imagine it may not be long before the search for the next One will begin.

/facepalm

**MatrixRefugee**

GamiSB wrote:

MatrixRefugee wrote:
I could see the Cyphs disbanding, since their purpose is over and, if I remember correctly, wasn't Cryptos told there was little to no chance for anyone to be reinserted into the Matrix? The EPN, however, are still awaiting the return of Neo/the One, and with the Truce over, I imagine it may not be long before the search for the next One will begin.

/facepalm

Did I say the wrong thing? :: Puzzled::

**Procurator**

I think half of them say stuff like 'praise Neo' and 'may Neo watch over us', while the other half deny that they do it. SMILEY

**PS10N** · 09/28/2007 17:23:47

"Machine Archive 4.2, see for yourself - EPNS used code bombs. Not to mention a recent live event where the Kid wanted to use code pulses to disable sentinels (not that it worked), and one where Shimada used them to damage the General's helipads. The EPN leadership intended to use them in a harmful manner - end of story."

Re-open story. None of these were acts of terrorism, only of open warfare against an open enemy. Because of the fascist elements in control of the [U.S.] government, everything they don't like is labeled "terrorist" and this same mind-set has infected The Matrix. End of story.

**CPT_Starschwar**

EPN used code bombs to forcibly awaken blues in 4.2 - if that isn't the matrix equivalent of Terrorism, nothing is.

Similairly, the two live events debunked the "CPDS are harmless" lie.

**Illyria22**

kou_urake wrote:

EPN used code bombs to forcibly awaken blues in 4.2 - if that isn't the matrix equivalent of Terrorism, nothing is.

QFT. Bluepills died because of those code bombs...code bombs detonated by EPN.

Illyria

**Kybutra**

To tell you the truth if the Cypherite org was to end, I wouldn't know what to do. I have become so used to killing Zion/EPN without a second thought that there would be no way I could be integrated back into the machine org and follow a Truce.

just my little 2 cents

**PS10N** · 09/28/2007 21:24:25

Name the EPN operatives who supposedly set off these code bombs. Name the ill effects of a code pulse device. The one thing you're leaving out is that everything told to you in that mission by Agent Gray is a lie. The Machine propaganda... machine... at work again. And you, machine operatives, willing dupes to their machinations. Poor pitiful, ignorant, naive, gullible, deceivable Machine operatives, believe everything they tell you without regard for the truth.

**GamiSB**

MatrixRefugee wrote:

GamiSB wrote:
MatrixRefugee wrote:
I could see the Cyphs disbanding, since their purpose is over and, if I remember correctly, wasn't Cryptos told there was little to no chance for anyone to be reinserted into the Matrix? The EPN, however, are still awaiting the return of Neo/the One, and with the Truce over, I imagine it may not be long before the search for the next One will begin.

/facepalm

Did I say the wrong thing? :: Puzzled::

Procurator wrote:

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Both sayings imply that he is dead which is what most of the people in EPN believe. EPN from my perspective isn't about waiting for or finding Neo or a new "One". Then it would be called "E Pluribus Morpheus". Instead EPN is focused on finshing Neo's work, bringing about real peace, give everyone a shot at the truth etc.

Canbus · 11/05/2007 16:27:01

Ps1on, for God's sake, this is an OOC-thread, as in, out-of-character thread. If you want to continue arguing about whether or not EPN is full of terrorists, move it to a different topic to RP somewhere else. Is that too much to ask?

Note: This is based from my experience only on Syntax

On-topic, I actually believe that the Cypherites really didn't contribute much due to two factors: Limited gameplay mechanics (they're nothing more than Machines' unlikeable version of Splinter Cell operatives) and that almost every Cypherite player I've met on Syntax (exception of Oldskool2814 and Phluff as I'm cool with them OOC-wise) are stereotypical PVP jack-*censored* on a similar level as the Merv population on Syntax. I genuinely could not show much interest whatsoever, and there's barely any reason for us to like them.

As for EPN, I actually don't want to see the org dying. As for why: GamiSB did hit the nail on the head on his apology topic posted at least six months ago, EPN helped us break away from Matrix n00bs shouting "ZOMG, 1 m N30. W0rsh1p m3! LOLZ!" On top of this, a dozen mature Zion players are often overshadowed by 30 idiots (chat room Zion players, you know who you are) spamming crap during live events, and the population is ridiculously large (EPN has what, five well-known active factions by now? At least half of the EPN players behave better than what we see in a mess of a live event recap) that live events can't run smoothly. Lastly, as much as I like Niobe and Ghost, everything Zion leadership did were full of stupid mistakes and security leaks (seriously, allying with the General when the entire player base knew he was the bad guy, Anome going bonkers because he didn't get psychiatric evaluation, Cypherite spies constantly FUBARing the org because security is so inept, the list could go on.) To add insult to injury, getting folded back to Zion would cause whatever reliable liaisons Zion and EPN has to get laid off for whatever reason, and I'm really not interested in that. Harkee, Trepetia, and Fuscienne showed that they are willing to interact with players and often did so whenever time could allow them. The last thing I want to see is seeing them get laid off because of a stupid message saying "Oh, due to EPN folding back to Zion, you guys are therefore useless and will get replaced" and getting replaced by an ex-Novalux (another Foxxdie), an ex-Stigmatism (someone who promises something big, but comes short no thanks to a real life fiasco) or a Zion/EPN version of Torman (someone who does not interact with the organization willingly compounded by hardware issues). It's bad enough the Machine players on Recursion have to put up with limited liaison interaction, and I am not interested in seeing two more organizations suffer just because of an idiotic fold.

**PS10N** · 09/29/2007 00:27:50

Seems to me the purposes and objectives of both sub-orgs are still alive and well, why else would people have such a passionate reaction? I swear, you have to beat the point over the heads of MxO players with a large smelly trout before anyone gets it.

**Procurator**

PS10N wrote:

Seems to me the purposes and objectives of both sub-orgs are still alive and well, why else would people have such a passionate reaction? I swear, you have to beat the point over the heads of MxO players with a large smelly trout before anyone gets it.

So what your saying is that this thread has fulfilled its purpose, and now we may argue your absurd suggestion about EPN's criminal status? No.

PS10N wrote:

Name the EPN operatives who supposedly set off these code bombs. Name the ill effects of a code pulse device. The one thing you're leaving out is that everything told to you in that mission by Agent Gray is a lie. The Machine propaganda... machine... at work again. And you, machine operatives, willing dupes to their machinations. Poor pitiful, ignorant, naive, gullible, deceivable Machine operatives, believe everything they tell you without regard for the truth.

Everyone, take a good look at this post. I hate to perform a personal attack here, but this is getting flippin' ridiculous. Why are we even responding to this stuff? He's replying IC when most of us are OOC, he's spouting tirades of rhetoric, and he's been dragging us off-topic since near the start of the thread!

Please, for the love of God, just ignore him if he continues along those lines. Let's all stick to the topic at hand.

**ShiXinFeng**

Okay, a lot of people have expressed their feelings about whether these orgs should stay or go.

But, I hear a lot of "I (like/don't like) X org)." What I don't hear much of is, do these splinter orgs have a mission? Does this mission differentiate the sub-org from the parent org enough to warrant keeping them around?

Could we get better storylines for three orgs rather than five? Would the game be improved?

Those are the questions I'd like to see answered.

In my opinion, I think the game, overall, would be better with just the three orgs. I don't think the sub-orgs have a good enough mission to keep them. I like being EPN; it makes me stand out in a crowd of Zionists. But, not so much anymore because even this sub-org has been 'watered down' now.

Whether I like it or not doesn't necessarily mean it's good for the game, though.

**MetaLogic**

Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:

Okay, a lot of people have expressed their feelings about whether these orgs should stay or go.
But, I hear a lot of "I (like/don't like) X org)." What I don't hear much of is, do these splinter orgs have a mission? Does this mission differentiate the sub-org from the parent org enough to warrant keeping them around?
Could we get better storylines for three orgs rather than five? Would the game be improved?
Those are the questions I'd like to see answered.
In my opinion, I think the game, overall, would be better with just the three orgs. I don't think the sub-orgs have a good enough mission to keep them. I like being EPN; it makes me stand out in a crowd of Zionists. But, not so much anymore because even this sub-org has been 'watered down' now.
Whether I like it or not doesn't necessarily mean it's good for the game, though.

Trust me, I would LOVE to see the Cyph Org as well as the EPN Org. get their own mission, their own controller, (I want Veil to be our controller), if the Devs actually made us into REAL orgs instead of just splinters, then I would be as happy as a pig in slop. However, as it's been said from time and time again, due to limited time and limited Dev powers, the Cypherite Organization and the EPN Organization will never become real orgs, just splinter orgs. Which means every time I do a critical mission, I'll have to listen to Gray's monotone voice, and it's gotten old a long time ago.

**Shinryu**

Yes, the Cyphs and EPN have their own purpose and their own agendas, which is quite a large part of the reason why they couldn't be simply folded into their "parent" orgs. I would also love to see them as their own organizations instead of just being considered splinter groups. It would actually be quite interesting to see the Cyphs on their own without being on the payroll of the Machines. They would certainly have enough built in friction with the disparity between Veil's way of doing things and Cryptos' way of doing things to sustain their own existence drama wise even if not storyline wise. Of course, we know this isn't going to happen.