A cow in the wild = free animal
A cow in a pen = food
I for one refuse to be cattle. Of course Cypher was rather fond of steak. Ironic, as all he wanted was to be steak.
Skill wrote:Relapse wrote:But hey, If people want to follow a man whose actions cost MILLIONS of people their lives, everywhere. Go right ahead, they will be put down like dogs. Just like every other terrorist and their senseless propaganda. >Pilot_ Is that an exact number? nah its an exagerated number that has been formed because people fell it is eaier to find fault in someone if death is envolved and the greater the death count the greater the emotion of hate towards those who caused it. The sad truth however is that people have long since deicded that offical reports mean nothing and that the word of a friend, of a friend, of a friend is rock solid and continue to beleive so untill the reports are long forgotten and only the exageration remains.. Now this is not to say that there were no deaths (because undoubtly their must have been) but Tyndall, Gray, and Flood seemed to have forgotten to mention the death cout of millions while giveing there summeries and reports.Just have a look for yourself if you don't believe me.Zion Reprots Merovingian Reports Machine ReportsZion Summery Merovingian Summery Machine SummerySummery
Relapse wrote:But hey, If people want to follow a man whose actions cost MILLIONS of people their lives, everywhere. Go right ahead, they will be put down like dogs. Just like every other terrorist and their senseless propaganda. >Pilot_ Is that an exact number?
But hey, If people want to follow a man whose actions cost MILLIONS of people their lives, everywhere. Go right ahead, they will be put down like dogs. Just like every other terrorist and their senseless propaganda. >Pilot_
>Pilot_
nah its an exagerated number that has been formed because people fell it is eaier to find fault in someone if death is envolved and the greater the death count the greater the emotion of hate towards those who caused it. The sad truth however is that people have long since deicded that offical reports mean nothing and that the word of a friend, of a friend, of a friend is rock solid and continue to beleive so untill the reports are long forgotten and only the exageration remains.. Now this is not to say that there were no deaths (because undoubtly their must have been) but Tyndall, Gray, and Flood seemed to have forgotten to mention the death cout of millions while giveing there summeries and reports.
Just have a look for yourself if you don't believe me.
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The bombs themselves do not kill. However the action of awakening does carry with it two faults. First, if there is no ship ready to pick up the newley awakened Red, they drown due to no muscle mass. Second, only 1% are ready to accept the truth, and the others can -violently- reject it, leading to their minds shutting down.
Yep yep.
although the zion reports say that machine and merv ships were in range and waiting, but fault 2 is still a problem and thus the reason why useing code bombs is a no no.
Nobody's really answered my question. I just want to know how average Zionites feel about Morpheus's disregard for their lives and the lives of everyone in their entire city. (Morpheus also stated that he was willing to risk "millions" of bluepill lives to get back Neo's body, but since some redpills don't even consider the blues to be truly alive, I didn't bring them up.) I mean, those of you who claim to follow Morpheus must have some opinion on it. Is Morpheus's goal of getting Neo's remains more important than your city, and the hundreds of thousands of lives it shelters?
Illyria
My guess would be that the do the same as they did then. Try and find him and hold him on trial (Although we have seen countless times how great a job Zion's search parites do.) The true believer's faith won't waver and the heart's of the real enemies wont sofen. The only people that will change are those that can not or could not make up there mind.
My guess would be that the do the same as they did then. Try and find him and hold him on trial (Although we have seen countless times how great a job Zion's search parites do.)
The true believer's faith won't waver and the heart's of the real enemies wont sofen. The only people that will change are those that can not or could not make up there mind.
<-- answerd it. average joe Zionite will proably listen to the council rather then morpheus followers (expecialy if freed after Morpheus death).
Those that follow morpheus are well aware I assume of what Morpheus was willing to do to accompish his goal (as we see with the code bobms) and will remain ever so loyal. Kinda like how Machienst remain loyal to keeping maximum effecency within the simulation even if it means sideing with another red pill that was willing to kill millions also mon.
but anyway, from just talking to Moprheus followers the answer is yes. They put Neo's body above the city and claim that saveing the body will save the city.
Nobody's really answered my question. I thought it was supposed to be rhetorical, but if you really want an answer... I just want to know how average Zionites feel about Morpheus's disregard for their lives and the lives of everyone in their entire city. (Morpheus also stated that he was willing to risk "millions" of bluepill lives to get back Neo's body, but since some redpills don't even consider the blues to be truly alive, I didn't bring them up.) I mean, those of you who claim to follow Morpheus must have some opinion on it. Is Morpheus's goal of getting Neo's remains more important than your city, and the hundreds of thousands of lives it shelters? No... why do you think he left Zion and refused to work with high command? Probably because he isn't an idiot like some people paint him to be. He knew that what he was asking for he could never attain while keeping the peace as long as he stayed in Zion. On the other hand, he said he was willing to risk "millions" of bluepill lives, a statement which smacks of brinkmanship. But I doubt in the end he'd be able to do it.. but that's just my opinion. Illyria
Nobody's really answered my question.
I thought it was supposed to be rhetorical, but if you really want an answer...
I just want to know how average Zionites feel about Morpheus's disregard for their lives and the lives of everyone in their entire city. (Morpheus also stated that he was willing to risk "millions" of bluepill lives to get back Neo's body, but since some redpills don't even consider the blues to be truly alive, I didn't bring them up.) I mean, those of you who claim to follow Morpheus must have some opinion on it. Is Morpheus's goal of getting Neo's remains more important than your city, and the hundreds of thousands of lives it shelters?
No... why do you think he left Zion and refused to work with high command? Probably because he isn't an idiot like some people paint him to be. He knew that what he was asking for he could never attain while keeping the peace as long as he stayed in Zion. On the other hand, he said he was willing to risk "millions" of bluepill lives, a statement which smacks of brinkmanship. But I doubt in the end he'd be able to do it.. but that's just my opinion.
(oops, duplicate post -- can someone remove this?)
GamiSB wrote:
average joe Zionite will proably listen to the council rather then morpheus followers (expecialy if freed after Morpheus death).
That's good to hear. Sometimes it seems that (some) Zionites have completely lost their senses.
Cryptos was willing to kill millions -- actually, the billions of human beings attached to the Matrix -- when he was still a staunch Zionite. (With such a strong desire to destroy the Matrix, just to strike at the Machines, I can certainly understand his friendship with Morpheus at the time. Who knows, maybe if he hadn't left Zion, Cryptos and the Kid would both be leading EPN right now!) And while I'm not a supporter of his belief that everyone should go back to their pods, I'm thankful that these murderous inclinations fell away when he left Zion.
GamiSB wrote: average joe Zionite will proably listen to the council rather then morpheus followers (expecialy if freed after Morpheus death). That's good to hear. Sometimes it seems that (some) Zionites have completely lost their senses.Their just a little confused ^^ GamiSB wrote: Those that follow morpheus are well aware I assume of what Morpheus was willing to do to accompish his goal (as we see with the code bobms) and will remain ever so loyal. Kinda like how Machienst remain loyal to keeping maximum effecency within the simulation even if it means sideing with another red pill that was willing to kill millions also mon. Cryptos was willing to kill millions -- actually, the billions of human beings attached to the Matrix -- when he was still a staunch Zionite. (With such a strong desire to destroy the Matrix, just to strike at the Machines, I can certainly understand his friendship with Morpheus at the time. Who knows, maybe if he hadn't left Zion, Cryptos and the Kid would both be leading EPN right now!) And while I'm not a supporter of his belief that everyone should go back to their pods, I'm thankful that these murderous inclinations fell away when he left Zion.True that it was in his past and he did go from saying "Machiens are evil" to "hug your toaster(no ofence)" in less then an hour. Seems a bit odd to me but wht can ya do *shrug* The Morpheus friend thing is news to me because there is an audio recording out there that shows that Cryptos was anything but a friend of Morpheus an thought his quest for the One was pointless, not to mention the amount of faith in Neo he showed was about as great as Cyphers. Hardly his friend me thinks. But anyway I hope it answerd your question.IllyriaGamiSB
Their just a little confused ^^
True that it was in his past and he did go from saying "Machiens are evil" to "hug your toaster(no ofence)" in less then an hour. Seems a bit odd to me but wht can ya do *shrug* The Morpheus friend thing is news to me because there is an audio recording out there that shows that Cryptos was anything but a friend of Morpheus an thought his quest for the One was pointless, not to mention the amount of faith in Neo he showed was about as great as Cyphers. Hardly his friend me thinks. But anyway I hope it answerd your question.
Oh and Skill, Cryptos was freed before the truce came about. His following is mostly made up of code bomb vic but he is not one (nor is Veil)
oh, sorry, i meant the guy who killed cryptos and took his place
Hey, as long as he's not advocating the murder of billions of people, I'd say it's a step up!
Lyr
Skill wrote: oh, sorry, i meant the guy who killed cryptos and took his place Hey, as long as he's not advocating the murder of billions of people, I'd say it's a step up! Lyr
Illyria22 wrote:Skill wrote: oh, sorry, i meant the guy who killed cryptos and took his place Hey, as long as he's not advocating the murder of billions of people, I'd say it's a step up! LyrUnless he happens to be the puppet for someone who actually plans to act on said feelings..
