Thanks for porting me to the appropriate locations Rarebit, I really appreciate it. 

I hope my name didn't give you too much trouble. 

odj wrote:

Rarebit wrote:

So no, I won't be wasting everyone's time trying to hunt and peck out long keyboard-mash names just to bring some along some lowbie alt whose "name" nobody can pronounce, and which would spam chat on its own every time they said anything--and that goes for anyone who might try something like that.

You get paied to do this stuff.

If I worked at a checkout and only decided to type in all the items but one simply because the barcode was to complex I'd be fired.

Do your job and teleport llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyr tomorow.

It's simple enough to create a new name by just putting a couple of easy words together:

darkserenity            rippedcorn                 flailcross

etc.  Making up such a cumbersome, troublesome name and then huffing and puffing when others don't invest the time to climb the steep curve you've imposed...it's not reasonable, and it's not efficient. 

If you make it easy for others to do what you want, they are more likely to oblige.  Being difficult for the sake of being difficult, on the other hand, is generally self-defeating.  As we see here.

I liked the meeting.  You have to accept that with so many people (and the turnout was very gratifying) there, the odds of your question getting addressed was low.  You just have to accept that.  I was impressed by many of the questions; i could see some people have been following things _very_ closely. 

The fact of the matter is that there are 3 meetings so everyone has a chance to interact and ask questions.  It's not intended that everyone make the first meeting or all three.

ONE MEETING PER ORG.  Why the fuss?!  It just doesn't make sense to me. :\

Garu wrote:

The fact of the matter is that there are 3 meetings so everyone has a chance to interact and ask questions.  It's not intended that everyone make the first meeting or all three.

ONE MEETING PER ORG.  Why the fuss?!  It just doesn't make sense to me. :\

 

Are you saying that a player should only be limited to one meeting?  The player is not a member of an org.  A character is, however.  That's something Recursion Machinists can't really seem to grasp, unfortunately.  Not a poke at you, Garu...  just an observation I've had over the years.

If you have a main character that is Merovingian, for example, the player is automatically labeled a Merv and there are many that just can't seem to see the fact that the player is just a player.

It's like saying in World of Warcraft that you shouldn't be able to experience Horde content if your main character is in the Alliance.  Bad example here, but it works.

If we're not going to have daily live events, you can at least take the time to teleport in every level 5 character with the required rep regardless of their name. 

The entire meeting was pretty *GOSHDARN* lame if you ask me. Sure we could ask questions, but most of them couldn't be answered, thus providing no additional content or storyline push. We got confirmation that Danielle Wright was probably killed by random group of operatives #1 in Hampton Green and that the thing near her was probably the BIP, like everyone already guessed (and the previous bit of information is just clarifying gameplay technicality). Aside from that? Nada. If you like standing around Agent Gray, woohoo for you.

More events, less meetings/parties, please.

I was pleasantly suprised with just how many questions Gray answered, which was a departure from his usually aloof and somewhat vague responses.

eval wrote:

>_>

A macro along the lines of "/macro teleport %t /command to admin teleport" that teleports whoever you target would be super. So just keep tapping "g" or whatever button you have to target between friendlies in your line of sight and hit the macro and it'd teleport whoever. Then you wouldn't have to type out names and the teleporting would go much faster, problem is it's pretty indescriminate buuuuuuuuut you could always fix it with a good ol' fashioned boot once everyone was through to get rid of problem people.

Unless admin teleports don't work like most /commands?

I doubt that would work. Gray was doing the teleporting, but Rarebit must have had a second, invisible character in the top floor room of the Tabor Park building. I'm guessing he looked at the names on one client and typed them in on the other.

And I wouldn't be remotely suprised if Rarebit doesn't teleport Odj's other characters into the next couple of meetings. They may well meet the requirements and Rarebit could take the time to type in their absurd names, but Odj has sadly proved beyond doubt that he's in the right mood for making trouble and being a nuisance. Anyone else in Rare's position would react to that the same way.

I couldn't stay long. But it didn't seem all that different from the more passive Q&A Live Events of the past.  There seemed to be a lot of questions in the begining about the Oligarchs and stuff from Chapters ... uhm what was it, 10.3 I think.  Other than that it wasn't all that bad.  Agent Gray isn't going to answer everything because that is part of the story and discovering things and doing your homework and actually reading some of the past missions (archives).

If ppl are stumped for character names - I know sometimes I am for my game characters.  Try these quick and easy name generators:  NAME GENERATATORS
But don't go too crazy, I don't think a p0rn-star name is really going to help either.  Although that might be funny!

As for all this firefighting, I think some of the underlying animosity here stems from ppl being suspicious of and tired of the favoritism, myself included.  Go ahead and bash me for it - I know you guys always will.  But it exists and it's the truth. 
So what can be done about it, if anything?  Probably nothing because it's never going to change. :/

I really enjoyed this meeting as we learned a lot of new information and we were able to fill a lot of holes of the storyline that everyone had been wondering about. This meeting style is much more preferable over the old live event meeting style. I hope to see more meetings like this in the future.

Neoteny wrote:

Sure we could ask questions, but most of them couldn't be answered, thus providing no additional content or storyline push. We got confirmation that Danielle Wright was probably killed by random group of operatives #1 in Hampton Green and that the thing near her was probably the BIP, like everyone already guessed (and the previous bit of information is just clarifying gameplay technicality). Aside from that? Nada. If you like standing around Agent Gray, woohoo for you.

Guessing is not concrete evidence for any debate which may occur, you know this. The Oligarchs are a relatively small community, we are likely to see more incursions from them in the future, the Bip is not itself harmful to the simulation yet the Machines still want it secured so that it doesn't get into the hands of Zion or the Merv. The Machines do not have a backup of the Oracles program as her programming was sufficiently different to prevent doing so. There was a lot to gain from that even if it was just mostly confirming peoples guesses or suspicions.

"I'm sorry, my responses are limited...you must ask the right questions."

Rarebit has 3 meetings to do, all of which I'll assume will be placed on the boards in time. So instead of trying to lead the players into asking the right questions in a meeting to forward the story, he has three opportunities for a player to ask the pertinent question(s) on their own. This allows for the meeting to flow more naturally and not feel like the LE character is guiding us down the right path for the right question(s). You don't ask the question(s), you don't get the info and the other orgs may reveal it first in some way from their own persective. If by the end of the last meeting still noone has asked the right or pertinent question(s), then the herding of players may be done if necessary.  Overall that seems to me to be a lot more dynamic than previous LE's in which information had to be revealed in order for the next crit to make any sense.

It's entrely obvious that, in order not to spoil anything, Rarebit has to be careful when answering questions pertaining to the current storyline, swerveballs and that will take him longer to answer. No amount of preperation can possibly prepare him for a random question that has something to do with the story but wasn't thought of. Floods of questions don't help either.

Also on a side note, what wasn't needed at all was making the point that org barriers could be bypassed. Well done, good job. Those that did strive to make the point, we already know it can be done, it's really not necessary to reiterate this widely known fact, so what was the point? Considering the low level needed for the meetings, it's not hard to make an appropriate character if you seriously want to take part assuming you have space. Creating a random name is not hard either and even if you intend on deleting the character afterwards having a non button bashed name will allow you to recreate the character if needed the next time easily if you want. If a player, regardless of character they are playing, is deemed to be acting in a way that may be disruptive to other players then the Dev's and CSR's are well within their rights to make sure that it doesn't get continued. Really, I would have expected a little more maturity from some members of the community, especially from those people who have shown decent levels in the past.

Darkhawk wrote:

As for all this firefighting, I think some of the underlying animosity here stems from ppl being suspicious of and tired of the favoritism, myself included.  Go ahead and bash me for it - I know you guys always will.  But it exists and it's the truth. 
So what can be done about it, if anything?  Probably nothing because it's never going to change. :/

 

Would probably be a good idea to go back to school and learn how to read, because if you read the previous posts in the thread it's got absolutely *nothing* to do with favouritsm. Infact, it's about names as you addressed in the first part of your post, so maybe you actually did read it correctly and are now just trying to cause trouble/grab attention? Really, don't get where favouritsm comes into a simple organisational meeting but I'm not brushed up on the latest conspiracy theories.

I wasn't able to make the meeting, got caught up doing something else and it completely slipped my mind, but I think maybe this whole teleporting thing is going a little too far. I'm not taking sides, but if Rarebit simply said he wasn't going to teleport a name called akdkdsdsakdasdas, then maybe you should rethink your name. It's just that simple. Making a big fuss out of it isn't going to get you anywhere, so why do it for the other orgs as well?

Vinia wrote:

Also what wasn't needed at all was making the point that org barriers could be bypassed. Well done, good job. Those that did strive to make the point, we already know it can be done, it's really not necessary to reiterate this widely known fact, so what was the point? Considering the low level needed for the meetings, it's not hard to make an appropriate character if you seriously want to take part assuming you have space. Creating a random name is not hard either and even if you intend on deleting the character afterwards having a non button bashed name will allow you to recreate the character if needed the next time easily if you want. Really, I would have expected a little more maturity from some members of the community, especially from those people who have shown decent levels in the past.

You're the people that call us terrorists.  We were simply conforming to your beliefs.  Our little "stunt" caused no issues.  Rarebit kicked us soon enough (as he says, its hard to miss a Gold Tag where it shouldn't be).  I then logged onto my alt to go to the meeting.  Not to cause trouble, but the participate.  The two characters can't be put in the same boat just because my main is EPN.  As I've said before, and will say again, my alt is Machine.  The player behind them should not be a prerequisite for attending.  At no point did Rarebit say "Players main has to be Machine."  He said the character had to have the required rep.

Yasamuu wrote:

Would probably be a good idea to go back to school and learn how to read, because if you read the previous posts in the thread it's got absolutely *nothing* to do with favouritsm. Infact, it's about names as you addressed in the first part of your post, so maybe you actually did read it correctly and are now just trying to cause trouble/grab attention? Really, don't get where favouritsm comes into a simple organisational meeting but I'm not brushed up on the latest conspiracy theories.

The idea of favourtism could come from the fact that Rarebit has said people with names using a 'I' instead of 'l' is awkward and he'll not teleport someone he can't type out.  Do along comes Dulux with the "trick I" and Rarebit happily tries the name twice.  Yet the character with a random name (no "trick I" I might add) didn't even get the one attempt needed to type his name out.  Its one rule for some and one rule for the others.

I'll say that again. 

Dulux - two attempts at porting

Random name - No attempt.  Just one attempt would have sufficed.

Now I'm going to leave this thread now before I say something that gets me the ban stick.

As long as you show an intention to participate in the meeting, then you will be included. It's as simple as that.

You planned to provoke people. "Let's see if we get through with this". It didn't work - nothing bad happened, you just weren't invited. Now you come to the forums and blame random people for what happened.