Oligarch Theories.

**Croesis**

cloudwolf wrote:

Well, lets say for instance the experimental device the Assassin witnessed on her body (specifically on the cortex jack) was making a digital "backup" of her mind.

Interesting, but I am at a loss about what the above is about. Was it something that came up during the assassin era?

**cloudwolf**

Vinia wrote:

cloudwolf wrote:
Well, lets say for instance the experimental device the Assassin witnessed on her body (specifically on the cortex jack) was making a digital "backup" of her mind.
Interesting, but I am at a loss about what the above is about. Was it something that came up during the assassin era?

Yeah, it was part of the Assassin Memoirs. He was in charge of body disposal and liquidation but when it came to disposing of Trinity's body he saw a strange device on the back of her neck and was told to leave her be. This confused the Assassin and may well have been the starting point of his rampancy and subsequent exile.

**Croesis**

Ah, didn't know that, thanks!

**9mmfu**

Wha? I thought they just sprang out of the nothing from the mind of... oh wait nvm...

**ZippyTheSquirrel**

Let's say the Oligarchs have their own Simulation, like the Matrix. From there we can toss in the information that the current Machine pod system doesn't generate nearly as much power as previously supposed, and we have something of an economy of energy. The Machines could be trading the humans they work out of their pods to the Oligarchs in exchange for more energy.

But why would the Oligarchs want humans from the Matrix? How could they be resources? Halborn's outcry of "I've been waiting [for] centuries" might suggest (if he wasn't exagerating) that the Oligarchs' life spans are much greater than a normal human's - for a cost. Their reproductive systems are destroyed to make way for technology that keeps them alive. Then again, the Oligarchs might not be human at all, but something more Robin Williams-like; super advanced cybernetic humanoids.

I don't really know, it's all just some spur of the moment speculation derived from a short comment given to me by MetaLogic. I have got to do those crits!

**ZippyTheSquirrel**

The last Merv crit (ever oh noes!) has me thinking that the Oligarchs are at war with the Machines now over who controls the Matrix. Danielle said something along the lines of "the Matrix will be put under the control of those who power it."

**GamiSB**

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

The last Merv crit (ever oh noes!) has me thinking that the Oligarchs are at war with the Machines now over who controls the Matrix. Danielle said something along the lines of "the Matrix will be put under the control of those who power it."

That's always been her MO. Even before her "death" she was saying that.

**eval**

I'm bored and don't know where exactly to put this, so I'll put it here. Mainly it concerns the BIP, but that's what a few Oligarchs seem to be after anyway.

Me and a few other people were talking, and it seems to us that the BIP since it can go into any RSI it wants, probably was the thing that gave The Ones their powers in the Matrix and the Real. Through the cycle that the Machines had(have?), they have the Prophecy that drives a portion of Zion to find the One. But, to make sure to attempt to keep The One/the rest of Zion from getting outside it's parameters, they have the Biological Interface Program in the One since they were a bluepill. Because the One's actions are so significant given their powers, coupled with the Machines' actions in the real and in The Matrix, the BIP in the One keeps Zion in check for a large period of time until the reset occurs.

This also brought up the memory of Halborn saying in a Crit something along the lines of "If only he hadn't of taken the other one." That probably means that there's not one but two Biological Interface Programs. Thinking on why, the BIP seems to be very random and not directly controllable by the Machines. So, they needed something to counteract the BIP, and what better way than with another one? So throughout every version of the Matrix, the two BIPs have kept each other in check so that neither Zion prospers nor the Machines lose their seat of power.

So the Oligarchs want it for whatever reasons. They've said themselves that they've lived for much longer than a typical human lifespanm, through whatever way they do it (BIP or some other help from the Machines perhaps). Halborn was very interested while searching for the BIP in the powers that The One had, and did not know that Neo could shut down sentinels in the Real; that the Machines had told him of Neo's powers but not fully. So, people are probably after the BIP because they think that if they had it that they could have the powers of The One, maybe even greater with their understanding of the BIP.

On another observational note, the BIP seems to have some similar properties as a system program dubbed by "The Joker" so-to-speak: "Bandersnatch". It can multiply seemingly an endless amount of times. It's possible that the BIP can examine another program and obtain the same powers/properties as the program, sort of assimilating them without consuming them; or it's possible the Machines/The Oracle programmed the BIP(s) with that ability.

nightofcrow · 10/18/2008 00:03:53

GamiSB wrote:

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:
The last Merv crit (ever oh noes!) has me thinking that the Oligarchs are at war with the Machines now over who controls the Matrix. Danielle said something along the lines of "the Matrix will be put under the control of those who power it."

That's always been her MO. Even before her "death" she was saying that.

i hope she come back and kick

lol

**NRK1**

Eval what you said about the BIP i think is right, i think the BIP program allows for the installation of the "one" program. You could control the machines and the matrix with that ya' know? Also my theory on the olgiarchy is that maybe they are the orginal creators of AI where they have built a failsafe that ultimatley never lets the machines question their authority, just them, not the rest of humanity.

**Coro**

Does the ability to change one's RSI really suggest the power of The One? I thought that The One was attributed to a genetic predisposition; which could not be wholely removed from Humankind (?). If it were as simple as a passing an individual a program, why would The Machines retain the means of their demise? Weren't they party to the creation of the BIPs?

The BIP has been described as allowing control over humans (not machines) who have been disconnected from the simulation. Surely the most likely candidate as the previous recipient of the BIP is Smith: though even he is far from certain. Yes, I understand that the BIP might have exceeded its programming and may be its a two-way-street, but let's not fail to consider other possibilities.

On another point previously raised... Why would Halbourn have so many questions as concerns Neo, if (as speculated) Mr. Anderson had been passed to The Oligarchs? I just can't see it myself. The same would be the case of Morpheus, Trinity etc. as Halbourn would have received opportunity for a full debrief from first-hand witnesses.

**Othinn1**

Coro wrote:

On another point previously raised... Why would Halbourn have so many questions as concerns Neo, if (as speculated) Mr. Anderson had been passed to The Oligarchs? I just can't see it myself. The same would be the case of Morpheus, Trinity etc. as Halbourn would have received opportunity for a full debrief from first-hand witnesses.

... Because all three are dead? SMILEY

**cloudwolf**

So we've learnt the android the Merv found is actually Carlyne's body in the real. Which to me suggests his original body, like Halborn's, is dead or held in suspended animation or deepfreezed or whatever. Which backs up the 'original creators of the machines/ai' theory.

But then these new Oligarchs arn't wireframed. Which can either be a simple case of upgraded technology or an inherent difference altogether. My theory? That these new Oligarchs, or the "current" Oligarchs really since they apparently represent the society as a whole while Halborn and Carlyne were confirmed as acting independantly, are current generation humans. Not timeless immortals like the robotic creators of AI that Halborn and Carlyne were.

Which brings us to why those two were acting seperate from the rest and have their own little "compounds". Obviously the original Oligarchs had offspring, why else would there be a big facility off in the mountains for a relatively small group of people? And for a while the originals ruled as a kind of elder council but over time, given the nature of an Oligarchal society and perhaps a less than willing attitude to share their immortaliy technology to future generations, the current Oligarchs rose up and cast out the originals to facilities seperate from the main hub. Hence why they were able to operate alone.

This theory of Halborn and Carlyne's generation having a superiority complex and not sharing information is further supported by the fact the current Oligarchs apparently didn't even know about awakened humans. When the original Oligarchs either suggested or helped work on The Matrix as part of their war dealings with the Machines surely they would've known about the 1% rule, especially given Halborn was specifically asking about Neo, an awakened human. Obviously the originals didn't feel the need to share this information with the next generation, possibly due to fear of them wanting to seek out these other awakened or a potential uprising given their deceipt.

But yeah, thats about it from my random musing for now.

Discussion. Go.

**ZippyTheSquirrel** · 01/06/2009 00:32:57

Carlyne's dead. Helian and Tesarova had him killed for leaking classified information and losing his android body. Check the mission summaries thread for confirmation.

Now, to me, the new form of the Oligarchs is a sympton of the Machines' attempt to better craft the Matrix's resistance to them. Allow more time, and maybe they'll start to show skin, probably still tinged with their odd colors.