COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

**darkhaze**

ahhhh..ok

by the way answer your door. you got a package.

Beanix

I wish she could come back.. :smileysad:

[CoZ]LostProphet

The time between sexxoring and annihilation of the Logos was a matter of hours. There would barely be a baby to save.
If she was pregnant before that, she would never have left Zion for Reloaded/Revolutions - nobody who is carrying a child is going to put themselves in the way of death.

I think the Trinity-baby angle is one of the more far-fetched theories that persists due to the lack of solid evidence to disprove it - opposed to the wealth of logical thinking that disproves it, which nobody really thinks about much SMILEY

**ZippyTheSquirrel**

Far-fetched? Yes. Crazy? Yes. Feasible?
...yes.

What you just said makes perfect logical sense. "Without solid evidence" indeed. Without solid evidence all we could do is speculate. For example:

Could cave monkies have pregancy tests?
Could Trinity have done that....period...thing and not have noticed? Could she have noticed but didn't tell anyone?
Could the Machines have saved her or her baby? What were they doing that prevented her recycling?
If she wasn't pregnant, could the Machines have taken hers and Neo's DNA to make a NEW One? :o

Too many questions, and no answers behind them. Nothing illogical about it. Nothing far-fetched about it.
(although the mere fact that I'm the OP would make this a crazy idea :p )

[CoZ]LostProphet

It couldn't be a new One.

The One was the 'sum of remainder of the equation' at the centre of the Matrix's programming, that allowed him the control he demonstrated.
I imagine that his control of the sentinels was simply some sort of partly-subconscious ability to also take control of the machine implants in his body, after he touched the Source and it flicked some sort of switch inside him.

Even if the machines could implant their technology into a partly-grown fetus, the baby would not have any remnants of the power that Neo possessed - the power he had inside the Matrix was a sole product of the coding of his RSI, which has everything to do with the Matrix and nothing to do with biological things. Well, that's what I assume.

**Vaico**

The Assassin did say small devices were on Trinitys neck and it looked
like a operation was planned. I guess they could of saved Trinity, and
assumming one of those metal poles didnt hit the fetus, they could keep
her asleep till the baby comes to term. Also, I see no reason why the
Machines counldn't install the crainial jacks, they wont need the full
body plugs as they aren't going into pods. Remember that the only
reason freeborns can't go into the Matrix( Aside from being born plug
free) Is that zion doesnt have the means or tech to install Crainial
Jacks.

**darkhaze**

im not sure machines could install cranial jacks onto an adult freeborne human. i think they have to do it while the baby is young and the nervous system is fairly simple. i dont know why i wrote this.

**Vaico**

darkhaze wrote:
im not sure machines could
install cranial jacks onto an adult freeborne human. i think they have
to do it while the baby is young and the nervous system is fairly
simple. i dont know why i wrote this.

Could
you explain then how the Machines put the first Humans into the Matrix
as seen in the Animatrix? Also, a baby is small and fragile meaning it
would be less likely to survive that kind of an operation, which is why
they are "born with the plugs in them"

**AqueousRei**

The remains were not recycled. Any potential offspring would have been free-born and have no connection to the original anomaly outside of its biological connection to the program host. The human body is a mere vessel.

**Vaico**

AqueousRei wrote:
The remains were not
recycled. Any potential offspring would have been free-born and have no
connection to the original anomaly outside of its biological
connection to the program host. The human body is a mere vessel.

What does any of that have to do with whether or not Trin was pregnant?

**AqueousRei**

How about what does it matter if trinity was impregnated or not?

Human Trin+ Human Anderson = freeborn fetus.

So the machines went out of the way to save a human fetus, adding again a fetus that would be nothing special, because why? Illogical. Any theories that suggest a fetus was searched for and saved by the machines should be re-evaluated & withdrawn.

**Vaico**

To say the Childs mind would not be special or have things to study on it is premature.

minuend

"So the machines went out of the way to save a human fetus, adding again
a fetus that would be nothing special, because why? Illogical. Any
theories that suggest a fetus was searched for and saved by the
machines should be re-evaluated & withdrawn."

Maybe, if there was a fetus, they did it due to emotion. Neo was as important to them as he was to us. He must be the greatest man the Machines have ever seen. Nothing will ever change the fact that we gave them life. Why else would they keep us alive for so long avoiding war?

**ZippyTheSquirrel**

Like to point out the DNA thing in regards to a new One and the fact that Neo could jack into the Matrix without a plug (Trainman scenes).

:p

Man, this thread exploded for the few moments I was gone. Did I really create that much of a stir?

**AqueousRei**

minuend wrote:
Maybe, if there was a fetus, they did it due to emotion. Neo was as important to them as he was to us. He must be the greatest man the Machines have ever seen. Nothing will ever change the fact that we gave them life. Why else would they keep us alive for so long avoiding war?

:smileyindifferent:
Keep the Truce, why not? The Machine as a society did not initiate hostilities before.

ZippydaSquirl wrote:

Like to point out the DNA thing in regards to a new One and the fact that Neo could jack into the Matrix without a plug (Trainman scenes)....

Reconsider how you justify these "powers" outside of The Matrix.
Machine City Broadcasts can not be transferred via DNA :robotsurprised:

Message Edited by AqueousRei on 04-29-2006 04:43 AM

Message Edited by AqueousRei on 04-29-2006 04:43 AM
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