[10.2.2] Our knowledge of the storm is still only rudimentary - Vector - 5/28/08

**Rarebit**

Just had a little title renumbering spree here. Don't mind me. Nothing to worry about.

**Remixermike**

*CENSORED* i wish i read there posts before they got edited :\

Croesis

Remixermike wrote:

*CENSORED* i wish i read there posts before they got edited :\

((Actually it doesn't seem like Rarebit actually edited anything other than the chapter number in the subject line which gets repeated everytime people post a reply. What you have read is what we've said))

**Chimaere**

Grrr!! Why I miss events WITH an invitation? I think someone wrote a program that tell him about my not-be-there-days.

But I have something for. A piece of the puzzle. I told you before...

http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/..._id=11300002013

**Illyria22**

And yet again, Zion/EPN jumps through hoops backwards to deny the truth. The Zion archives say the humans struck first, and now someone who was around at the time confirms that the humans struck first, yet they refuse to accept it. (Kind of like when one of their liaisons admitted, in public, that they broke the truce, and then denied that "we broke the truce" meant "we broke the truce".)

Zion/EPN needs to man up and accept that humans started all this, and that it came back to bite us in the hindquarters.

Illyria

**ShiXinFeng**

Okay. Humans started all of this.

*looks around to see if anything has changed*

huh. Imagine that. Nothing changed. About the world we live in, about the need for humanity to be free, nor about the need of the Machines to control us.

Even if we could make ourselves believe that humans started all of this, looking past the fact that our only sources for this information are, in fact, Machine constructs, it doesn't change what is happening now.

Human beings that want freedom deserve to be free. At any cost. That has been the history of mankind for thousands of years. It's not about to change now.

**GamiSB**

Illyria22 wrote:

And yet again, Zion/EPN jumps through hoops backwards to deny the truth. The Zion archives say the humans struck first, and now someone who was around at the time confirms that the humans struck first, yet they refuse to accept it. (Kind of like when one of their liaisons admitted, in public, that they broke the truce, and then denied that "we broke the truce" meant "we broke the truce".)
Zion/EPN needs to man up and accept that humans started all this, and that it came back to bite us in the hindquarters.

Illyria

Um,, where exactly does the Zion archive say that? I'd love to see it. Oh wait that's right, it doesn't. Silly me.

((Seriously UN denial to bombing 01 people. IT DOESN"T SAY WHO ATTACKED))

**Chimaere** · 06/04/2008 03:34:48

Who started, who strikes back, action and reaction, attacking and defense...

Again: We have to forgive and to prevent all from repeating a dark chapter of history.

Stay together and build up a new world.
A place the men, machines and programs could call home.
A place they could raise their descendants

We all are endowed by our creator and with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

**Tranque101**

Disappointing to see such a promising populus of minds stuck in the classique arguement.

Teacher: Zion, why did I see you hitting Machines in the playground yesterday.

Zion: They started it!

Machines: NO HE DID!

Teacher: Shush! Its not who started it, its who continues it. Now both of you to the corner!

Merovingian steals their lunches while they are in Time-Out

*sighs*

I should have been a playwright, no?

-Dr. Bourdeaux

Reposco

Illyria22 wrote:

And yet again, Zion/EPN jumps through hoops backwards to deny the truth. The Zion archives say the humans struck first, and now someone who was around at the time confirms that the humans struck first, yet they refuse to accept it. (Kind of like when one of their liaisons admitted, in public, that they broke the truce, and then denied that "we broke the truce" meant "we broke the truce".)
Zion/EPN needs to man up and accept that humans started all this, and that it came back to bite us in the hindquarters.

Illyria

And if EPN and Zion "manned" up as you say and said "So we did start the war..." ...would you then cease to support the machines? Fear is a powerful tool used in the wrong hands, lyr. I suggest you think long and hard about that.

Neo Bless You

**Omega0**

Illyria22 wrote:

And yet again, Zion/EPN jumps through hoops backwards to deny the truth. The Zion archives say the humans struck first, and now someone who was around at the time confirms that the humans struck first, yet they refuse to accept it. (Kind of like when one of their liaisons admitted, in public, that they broke the truce, and then denied that "we broke the truce" meant "we broke the truce".)
Zion/EPN needs to man up and accept that humans started all this, and that it came back to bite us in the hindquarters.

Illyria

I've seen the Zion archives (The Animatrix), and I accept that humans started the war. As a matter of fact, that is why I seriously considered working for the Machines when I first entered the Matrix. However, I realized that all of the humans that decided to start a war with the Machines are long gone by now, and I don't think we need to be punished for their mistakes. Nor do I think that gives the Machines the right to enslave people from birth.

**GamiSB**

Omega0 wrote:

Illyria22 wrote:
And yet again, Zion/EPN jumps through hoops backwards to deny the truth. The Zion archives say the humans struck first, and now someone who was around at the time confirms that the humans struck first, yet they refuse to accept it. (Kind of like when one of their liaisons admitted, in public, that they broke the truce, and then denied that "we broke the truce" meant "we broke the truce".)
Zion/EPN needs to man up and accept that humans started all this, and that it came back to bite us in the hindquarters.

Illyria

I've seen the Zion archives (The Animatrix), and I accept that humans started the war. As a matter of fact, that is why I seriously considered working for the Machines when I first entered the Matrix. However, I realized that all of the humans that decided to start a war with the Machines are long gone by now, and I don't think we need to be punished for their mistakes. Nor do I think that gives the Machines the right to enslave people from birth.

/facepalm

Go watch them again buddy and this time with your eyes open and ears listening. The Archive does not state who started the war.

ReProgrammed

GamiSB wrote:

Omega0 wrote:
Illyria22 wrote:
And yet again, Zion/EPN jumps through hoops backwards to deny the truth. The Zion archives say the humans struck first, and now someone who was around at the time confirms that the humans struck first, yet they refuse to accept it. (Kind of like when one of their liaisons admitted, in public, that they broke the truce, and then denied that "we broke the truce" meant "we broke the truce".)
Zion/EPN needs to man up and accept that humans started all this, and that it came back to bite us in the hindquarters.

Illyria

I've seen the Zion archives (The Animatrix), and I accept that humans started the war. As a matter of fact, that is why I seriously considered working for the Machines when I first entered the Matrix. However, I realized that all of the humans that decided to start a war with the Machines are long gone by now, and I don't think we need to be punished for their mistakes. Nor do I think that gives the Machines the right to enslave people from birth.
/facepalm
Go watch them again buddy and this time with your eyes open and ears listening. The Archive does not state who started the war.

Must be difficult to realize something inless it is said in exact words for you? Can't add two and two together?

**GamiSB** · 06/04/2008 15:48:58

ReProgrammed wrote:

GamiSB wrote:
Omega0 wrote:
Illyria22 wrote:
And yet again, Zion/EPN jumps through hoops backwards to deny the truth. The Zion archives say the humans struck first, and now someone who was around at the time confirms that the humans struck first, yet they refuse to accept it. (Kind of like when one of their liaisons admitted, in public, that they broke the truce, and then denied that "we broke the truce" meant "we broke the truce".)
Zion/EPN needs to man up and accept that humans started all this, and that it came back to bite us in the hindquarters.

Illyria

I've seen the Zion archives (The Animatrix), and I accept that humans started the war. As a matter of fact, that is why I seriously considered working for the Machines when I first entered the Matrix. However, I realized that all of the humans that decided to start a war with the Machines are long gone by now, and I don't think we need to be punished for their mistakes. Nor do I think that gives the Machines the right to enslave people from birth.
/facepalm
Go watch them again buddy and this time with your eyes open and ears listening. The Archive does not state who started the war.
Must be difficult to realize something inless it is said in exact words for you? Can't add two and two together?

Yes I am perfectly capable using addition however normally you need numbers to do such don't you? The Archives have none. It moves from one event to another but does not mention any amount of time between the two (or any for that matter)

While the bombing of Zero One could have been directly their denial into the UN it could have just as easily been years later. It could have been Zion's first attack, or it could have been a response to an attack. In other words your left with only your opinion of what happened and as any intelligent being should know opinions mean jack poop when it comes to what really happened.

Key questions (namely "Why and When" SMILEY are not answered and all the file is good for is pointing out that Zero One got bombed at some point in time. Thus it is stupid to assume (let alone state as fact) that anything other then what is being presented happened. So unless you have something to prove your assumption of what the Archive says please stop talking and pretending like you all know something. You don't.

**Omega0**

GamiSB wrote:

ReProgrammed wrote:
GamiSB wrote:
Omega0 wrote:
Illyria22 wrote:
And yet again, Zion/EPN jumps through hoops backwards to deny the truth. The Zion archives say the humans struck first, and now someone who was around at the time confirms that the humans struck first, yet they refuse to accept it. (Kind of like when one of their liaisons admitted, in public, that they broke the truce, and then denied that "we broke the truce" meant "we broke the truce".)
Zion/EPN needs to man up and accept that humans started all this, and that it came back to bite us in the hindquarters.

Illyria

I've seen the Zion archives (The Animatrix), and I accept that humans started the war. As a matter of fact, that is why I seriously considered working for the Machines when I first entered the Matrix. However, I realized that all of the humans that decided to start a war with the Machines are long gone by now, and I don't think we need to be punished for their mistakes. Nor do I think that gives the Machines the right to enslave people from birth.
/facepalm
Go watch them again buddy and this time with your eyes open and ears listening. The Archive does not state who started the war.
Must be difficult to realize something inless it is said in exact words for you? Can't add two and two together?
Yes I am perfectly capable using addition however normally you need numbers to do such don't you? The Archives have none. It moves from one event to another but does not mention any amount of time between the two (or any for that matter)
While the bombing of Zero One could have been directly their denial into the UN it could have just as easily been years later. It could have been Zion's first attack, or it could have been a response to an attack. In other words your left with only your opinion of what happened and as any intelligent being should know opinions mean jack poop when it comes to what really happened.
Key questions (namely "Why and When"" width="15" height="15" /> are not answered and all the file is good for is pointing out that Zero One got bombed at some point in time. Thus it is stupid to assume (let alone state as fact) that anything other then what is being presented happened. So unless you have something to prove your assumption of what the Archive says please stop talking and pretending like you all know something. You don't.

If the bombing of Zero One was a response to an attack, don't you think the archive would've mentioned that? Seems like a pretty important piece of information, if you ask me.