My reason for going Merv is a series of negative values that arose while trying to give my Cyph background more depth. I first began noticing the failure of my RP when a certain thread came out and pretty much stated an obvious fact, where the hell is this org going? No matter how many angle I tried to think of, I couldn't really come to a conclusion. Secondly I could really find what sort of use my character was to the org, am I just another lackey that fights when told to? Do I have an actual purpose in this faction, and how can I tie in my backstory with current cypherite events. Afterwards Cyph events became less and less frequent, and trailed off to side stories with mention of the mainstory. So, what now, were not even part of the main story anymore? How the hell did the org get back to that position? I started noticing the same thing with EPN, they slowing started trailing off into a side story. I think what was the last straw for me really was, the Libertas Virtas Story . Can you recycle content is a worse way than that? Wasn't EPN already supposed to be like the Sleepwalker type situation, I mean Zion themselves were hunting them when they first appeared. I had seriuosly thought about leaving the moment it came out, but decided to stick around just out of curiosity. They pull off one major event and the next day Haigen signs her resignation... OMGWTF are you serious!!?? So now I'm left with what, two liasons that rarely jack in, one I barely speak o and the other I said maybe one or two words to since she replaced a previous liason.

I decided to jump ship with haigen at that point, there was seriously no way I can build my RP of that organization. I couldn't find any substance or even a good foundation for the heart of my characters story. My Cyph adventures with grace will be left as an event in which he was still trying to find his tue place in the matrix. My alt however I have not really built any rp on yet, this can be a great start for them seeing how it's sort of like a fresh start. This new direction seems like a second reboot of the cyph organization, first the realization of reinsertion not bieng poossible and now a side kick organization that shall rarely be mentioned in the main story.

I rather had been part of the original plan, to tell you the truth. I started my cyph rp with the knowlegde that we would be beaten. I didn't get as far as to wether or not I delete my character when the org fell but I was close to it. I seriously would have rathered that aproach, than being dust in the wind. The only reason we'll still even be acknowleged is because of the tags, but that's it.

I am now more confident than even in my decision for name of the faction. It will atleast keep our memory alive when seen by new players and not as a random name with the word CYPH next to it. Same thing with EPN, I think them choosing that name will benifit them even more now.

I will admit I now have a reason to play my alt seeing how there won't be anymore cyph factions popping up every thirty seconds. Plus it will give me a chance to play a different type of personality, even though I'm playing a skitzo type personality at the moment.

I just hope there are enough rpers left in the org when this update come out. As I said before like 95% of the cyph population on syntax is pvp only. This is actually one of the reasons I liked the small event groups, because you didn't have non rpers ruining events with ooc chat. Sadly this org is one of the worst for player events on syntax, no one is even IC and it's annoying when you have to wait 3 hours for people to stop arguing or spamming so you can continue the event.

Since rare isn't killing off Veil and Cryptos, it would actually be pretty awesome to have the chance encounters with them like when they first appeared.

Also if no story based RP is going to be that frequent anymore with this org then  I'll defidently be making some, even if it's by myself with 50,000 alts.

My reason for going Merv is a series of negative values that arose while trying to give my Cyph background more depth. I first began noticing the failure of my RP when a certain thread came out and pretty much stated an obvious fact, where the hell is this org going? No matter how many angle I tried to think of, I couldn't really come to a conclusion. Secondly I could really find what sort of use my character was to the org, am I just another lackey that fights when told to? Do I have an actual purpose in this faction, and how can I tie in my backstory with current cypherite events. Afterwards Cyph events became less and less frequent, and trailed off to side stories with mention of the mainstory. So, what now, were not even part of the main story anymore? How the hell did the org get back to that position? I started noticing the same thing with EPN, they slowing started trailing off into a side story. I think what was the last straw for me really was, the Libertas Virtas Story . Can you recycle content is a worse way than that? Wasn't EPN already supposed to be like the Sleepwalker type situation, I mean Zion themselves were hunting them when they first appeared. I had seriuosly thought about leaving the moment it came out, but decided to stick around just out of curiosity. They pull off one major event and the next day Haigen signs her resignation... OMGWTF are you serious!!?? So now I'm left with what, two liasons that rarely jack in, one I barely speak o and the other I said maybe one or two words to since she replaced a previous liason.

I decided to jump ship with haigen at that point, there was seriously no way I can build my RP of that organization. I couldn't find any substance or even a good foundation for the heart of my characters story. My Cyph adventures with grace will be left as an event in which he was still trying to find his tue place in the matrix. My alt however I have not really built any rp on yet, this can be a great start for them seeing how it's sort of like a fresh start. This new direction seems like a second reboot of the cyph organization, first the realization of reinsertion not bieng poossible and now a side kick organization that shall rarely be mentioned in the main story.

I rather had been part of the original plan, to tell you the truth. I started my cyph rp with the knowlegde that we would be beaten. I didn't get as far as to wether or not I delete my character when the org fell but I was close to it. I seriously would have rathered that aproach, than being dust in the wind. The only reason we'll still even be acknowleged is because of the tags, but that's it.

I am now more confident than even in my decision for name of the faction. It will atleast keep our memory alive when seen by new players and not as a random name with the word CYPH next to it. Same thing with EPN, I think them choosing that name will benifit them even more now.

I will admit I now have a reason to play my alt seeing how there won't be anymore cyph factions popping up every thirty seconds. Plus it will give me a chance to play a different type of personality, even though I'm playing a skitzo type personality at the moment.

I just hope there are enough rpers left in the org when this update come out. As I said before like 95% of the cyph population on syntax is pvp only. This is actually one of the reasons I liked the small event groups, because you didn't have non rpers ruining events with ooc chat. Sadly this org is one of the worst for player events on syntax, no one is even IC and it's annoying when you have to wait 3 hours for people to stop arguing or spamming so you can continue the event.

Since rare isn't killing off Veil and Cryptos, it would actually be pretty awesome to have the chance encounters with them like when they first appeared.

Also if no story based RP is going to be that frequent anymore with this org then  I'll defidently be making some, even if it's by myself with 50,000 alts.

Just curious on some of your plans. I guess were not even going to be getting the organizational meetings or occasional live events so its pretty much if your Cypherite you don't get content.

I dont know I may cut back down to one sub to see how things work out of morbid curiosity. Other than that who knows.

Phrack posted but RougeA wrote:

Cypherites, take this as a blessing, not a curse. Before you lies a vast opportunity. Sure, your organization leaders are leaving you high and dry, but so what? Cryptos wasn't a speck in our mind's eye before he burst onto the scene delcaring his agenda. I had left the Cypherite organization for the very things that you are regretting losing, but think about it for a minute.... before the so-called public operations, being a Cypherite had a meaning more than just being another hand of the machines. We followed our own agenda, not the ones set forth by Toorima and Cryptos. Before then, we were something to be respected and feared, not just a simple nuissance to be defeated, only to endlessly come back for more. Take this oppertunity to set forth your own beliefs and ideals, and carry them out accordingly, under your own power.

Not to rain on Rouge's parade but this most definitely is not a blessing and is a major blow to both orgs. Now that their leaders are going underground and will hardly be around the players within those orgs have no connection to the story they wanted to help play out. Anything we do now outside of what the story has the orgs doing is going to have to be player created which amounts to fan-fiction as far as the official story is concerned.

So unless you enjoy writing fanfiction and are fine with not playing out the orgs role this change is a blessing but for those of us who have put in up to three years of work only to be slapped in the face this is very much a curse.

Synapse777 wrote:

I always knew that reinsertion couldn't be done was a lie.

And that statement is based on what?

Phrack posted but RougeA wrote:

Cypherites, take this as a blessing, not a curse. Before you lies a vast opportunity. Sure, your organization leaders are leaving you high and dry, but so what? Cryptos wasn't a speck in our mind's eye before he burst onto the scene delcaring his agenda. I had left the Cypherite organization for the very things that you are regretting losing, but think about it for a minute.... before the so-called public operations, being a Cypherite had a meaning more than just being another hand of the machines. We followed our own agenda, not the ones set forth by Toorima and Cryptos. Before then, we were something to be respected and feared, not just a simple nuissance to be defeated, only to endlessly come back for more. Take this oppertunity to set forth your own beliefs and ideals, and carry them out accordingly, under your own power.

Not to rain on Rouge's parade but this most definitely is not a blessing and is a major blow to both orgs. Now that their leaders are going underground and will hardly be around the players within those orgs have no connection to the story they wanted to help play out. Anything we do now outside of what the story has the orgs doing is going to have to be player created which amounts to fan-fiction as far as the official story is concerned.

So unless you enjoy writing fanfiction and are fine with not playing out the orgs role this change is a blessing but for those of us who have put in up to three years of work only to be slapped in the face this is very much a curse.

Synapse777 wrote:

I always knew that reinsertion couldn't be done was a lie.

And that statement is based on what?

a bit off topic but what ever happened to those two frags given to epn and cyphs from the oracle to hold onto for something special?

or is that still going on and now there just dropping whatever use they had?

I am reposting part of what I wrote on the new approach thread because its relevant to this thread as well.

Ingus wrote:

These splinter orgs have identities. The Prophet dusters vs the Bandana rags . EPN, loyal followers of Neo looking to free the human race at all cost. They are looked on by Zion as reglious fanatics of a dead savior. Zion is too militant and don't rely on fate, prophecies, and messiahs to see them through.

Cypherites, loyalist of the late Cypher. Their hate for zion is too extreme to keep in line with the poised and methodical approach of the Machine organization. They want to put EVERYONE to sleep and kill all who oppose their goal. They're not by the book.

All these orgs lack is a little help from the devs to make them self-sufficient.

Opinionated solutions:

Cyphs are summoned to handle the covert operations. The dirty work that would give Machines a bad name. (PVP/RP).

EPNs... their fate in saviors, honoring the memory of Neo and what he has accomplished is a motivation in it's own. Hell Zion doesn't care about what Neo has done for them anymore. The truce is over the war is back on. Neo was just a moment in time that gave them one shiny hope (The Truce) but even that wasn't good enough.

Yes, yes, and yes.  I couldn't agree with you more, Ingus.  For those that say EPN and CYPHs have no purpose and they are basically the same as Zion and Machines have obviously never been in a hardcore RP EPN or CYPH faction, or aren't interested in those specific aspects that Ingus mentioned.  I thought that EPN going to the no-fly zone was brilliant and much fresher than anything else that has been going on lately.  Kid has always done way more interesting and exciting things compared to Niobe, besides getting herself shot.  So, keep EPN and get rid of Zion. They are soo boring anyway    

I just feel like with EPN/Cyph you have more artistic freedom and its a waste to not tap into that.

The original plan was that EPN/Cyph was just going to be around for a little while and then go away.  But the orgs were a bigger hit than they had anticipated and they couldnt get rid of them in fear of the backlash they would get.  My point is, why is it okay now to get rid of them?  Why take something away that was obviously good for the game?

I am reposting part of what I wrote on the new approach thread because its relevant to this thread as well.

Ingus wrote:

These splinter orgs have identities. The Prophet dusters vs the Bandana rags . EPN, loyal followers of Neo looking to free the human race at all cost. They are looked on by Zion as reglious fanatics of a dead savior. Zion is too militant and don't rely on fate, prophecies, and messiahs to see them through.

Cypherites, loyalist of the late Cypher. Their hate for zion is too extreme to keep in line with the poised and methodical approach of the Machine organization. They want to put EVERYONE to sleep and kill all who oppose their goal. They're not by the book.

All these orgs lack is a little help from the devs to make them self-sufficient.

Opinionated solutions:

Cyphs are summoned to handle the covert operations. The dirty work that would give Machines a bad name. (PVP/RP).

EPNs... their fate in saviors, honoring the memory of Neo and what he has accomplished is a motivation in it's own. Hell Zion doesn't care about what Neo has done for them anymore. The truce is over the war is back on. Neo was just a moment in time that gave them one shiny hope (The Truce) but even that wasn't good enough.

Yes, yes, and yes.  I couldn't agree with you more, Ingus.  For those that say EPN and CYPHs have no purpose and they are basically the same as Zion and Machines have obviously never been in a hardcore RP EPN or CYPH faction, or aren't interested in those specific aspects that Ingus mentioned.  I thought that EPN going to the no-fly zone was brilliant and much fresher than anything else that has been going on lately.  Kid has always done way more interesting and exciting things compared to Niobe, besides getting herself shot.  So, keep EPN and get rid of Zion. They are soo boring anyway    

I just feel like with EPN/Cyph you have more artistic freedom and its a waste to not tap into that.

The original plan was that EPN/Cyph was just going to be around for a little while and then go away.  But the orgs were a bigger hit than they had anticipated and they couldnt get rid of them in fear of the backlash they would get.  My point is, why is it okay now to get rid of them?  Why take something away that was obviously good for the game?