((I was just looking at the ammount of posts in the LE forum, and on the first page, it is only Cyph and ENP LEs that reach 100 posts
Seems they are the most interesting))
((I was just looking at the ammount of posts in the LE forum, and on the first page, it is only Cyph and ENP LEs that reach 100 posts Seems they are the most interesting))
They are polarized and cause the most debate because of it.
Here's a reality check. I was there, I served under Genmaskeered and Enmascarado. You, good sir, have no idea what you are talking about. The Cypherite organization, speaking of those of us who passed Enmasc and Genmask's test and were accepted in, was to 1. Protect the bluepills. 2. Do what we could to make it safe to be re-inserted. 3. Be re-inserted. It was never about "Killing off all redpills" or having total domination of the simulation. You have no place to speak, you were not around during this time, you did not serve under them, you did not know our purpose.
Fen wrote:If Gray is not lying, then Rarebit or Chadwick have made a SERIOUS faux pas in the canon of the story. The comics ARE considered canon, and since they came first, take precedence over contradictions in the Matrix Online story.)) *shrugs* Hey dude... the same thing happened in "Goliath", which if I'm not mistaken, was written by Chadwick himself.
If Gray is not lying, then Rarebit or Chadwick have made a SERIOUS faux pas in the canon of the story. The comics ARE considered canon, and since they came first, take precedence over contradictions in the Matrix Online story.))
btw from what iv read agent gray stated that no such thing existed , however he did not say that it could not be done just that it does not exsists (sp) at the moment. so for all we know we thier could be a way to reinsert its just not been made yet thier for meaning agent gray is not lieing he just not giveing the full answer i suck at spelling so sorry for any errors
This is minor but I did do the 1st Mr. Po mission "shadowplay" again and it deals with a group of mercenary exiles who reinsert redpills for a fee. If reinsertion is a myth then for continuity's sake you'd have to say that they are just killing the redpills as well. Although perhaps Neoteny is right and those who submit to what they think is reinsertion are actually submitting to being overwritten.
Vesuveus wrote:Fatmop wrote:((I would like to reiterate with a high degree of emphasis what a load of crap this is. There's no explanation that will save my character. None.)) ((Well, this is a challenge to your RP. You weren't decieved, your character was. What would he do?)) ((No, let me make this very clear, I was deceived. For 6 of the last 8 months, my character was "reinserted." He was a bluepill. I wrote about this many, many times here and on other forums. I now have to rewrite all of it and change Kellner's story, and it is ridiculous.))
Fatmop wrote:((I would like to reiterate with a high degree of emphasis what a load of crap this is. There's no explanation that will save my character. None.)) ((Well, this is a challenge to your RP. You weren't decieved, your character was. What would he do?)) ((No, let me make this very clear, I was deceived. For 6 of the last 8 months, my character was "reinserted." He was a bluepill. I wrote about this many, many times here and on other forums. I now have to rewrite all of it and change Kellner's story, and it is ridiculous.))
((I would like to reiterate with a high degree of emphasis what a load of crap this is. There's no explanation that will save my character. None.))
The sad truth here is that the whole 'Cryptos getting his mind overwritten' pretty much invalidates everything we know about the matrix. To suggest that machines are capable of overwiting the mind of someone who 'chose' to exit the matrix in the first place, gives them the exact capability to create a full permanent Matrix, no need for reboots, no need for any anomoly....we might be able to accept this is a one off but to suggest it can happen routinely pretty much means we should all pack our bags and go home
The only continuity that this disturbs is the scene with the Runner waking up in the Animatrix and then finding himself back inside the simulation later. I never expected Smith to be telling the truth to Cypher when he promised him reinsertion. )
And yeah, what did you think the agents meant by this?: Agent Brown: If indeed the insider has failed, they'll sever the connection as soon as possible, unless... Agent Jones: They're dead, in either case... Agent Smith: We have no choice but to continue as planned. Deploy the sentinels immediately. Doesn't exactly sound like they had any plans to leave anybody alive.
Stack wrote: And yeah, what did you think the agents meant by this?: Agent Brown: If indeed the insider has failed, they'll sever the connection as soon as possible, unless... Agent Jones: They're dead, in either case... Agent Smith: We have no choice but to continue as planned. Deploy the sentinels immediately. Doesn't exactly sound like they had any plans to leave anybody alive. Finally someone else gets it! Been saying that sence I first started debateing reinsurtion.
GamiSB wrote:Stack wrote: And yeah, what did you think the agents meant by this?: Agent Brown: If indeed the insider has failed, they'll sever the connection as soon as possible, unless... Agent Jones: They're dead, in either case... Agent Smith: We have no choice but to continue as planned. Deploy the sentinels immediately. Doesn't exactly sound like they had any plans to leave anybody alive. Finally someone else gets it! Been saying that sence I first started debateing reinsurtion.Exactly. It didn't matter either way. Oh yeah, and I stand corrected. "Goliath" was done by Neil Gaiman, and Note the cover: "based on concepts by the Larry and Andy Wachowski". I take this more as a "What-if" than as an actual part of Matrix canon, personally, but then again, I'm always wrong...right?
Fatmop wrote: Vesuveus wrote:Fatmop wrote:((I would like to reiterate with a high degree of emphasis what a load of crap this is. There's no explanation that will save my character. None.)) ((Well, this is a challenge to your RP. You weren't decieved, your character was. What would he do?)) ((No, let me make this very clear, I was deceived. For 6 of the last 8 months, my character was "reinserted." He was a bluepill. I wrote about this many, many times here and on other forums. I now have to rewrite all of it and change Kellner's story, and it is ridiculous.)) It's not up to the storyline writers to succumb to every deviance from their prewritten storyline written by their players. I do agree that this is a severe slap in the face to creativity and the supposed ability given to us to make this our own story, but you do have to accept that there are limits to what's plausible within an RP-setting, and playing a reinserted redpill in a game like MxO is a little awkward.
Of course Milton Friedman, Kellner, woke up again, just about 4 weeks before this news came out (the day after I got a laptop capable of playing MxO in Germany). The only time I played a reinserted redpill was the day I came back to the game so that I could get back in the thick of things. I understand that I could just keep going with that story and ignore this dictate handed down by the Wachowski brothers, but that would put me at odds with certain major MxO characters OOC and I'm not going to RP something that can't happen according to the universe I'm working with.
I certainly do agree that there are limits to what's possible in an RP setting. However, you acknowledge that the machines can overwrite part or all of a human's memory or consciousness, right? That, in itself, eliminates the single biggest hurdle to the feasability of reinsertion. Finding suitable plugs for reattachment should not be terrible difficult, and a certain risque scene in Revolutions showed us that all the plugs along the spinal cord were still intact. Regrowing and reteaching neurons is already medically possible, though difficult, in the real world today. That just leaves finding a pod and taking care of the coding to put the person back inside, hardly insurmountable issues. Might it cause insanity or quick reawakening? Sure, maybe, but with what we'd been given up to that point, believing reinsertion was at least possible (if not time-consuming or wasteful) was not out of the question.
((I guess that's what I'll have to do. But let it be known that I am shaking my fist at the world IRL right now.))
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