Too much speculation and not enough proof.  I don't want to sound like a broken record and repeat what everyone has already said, but it's true that The Machines could wipe out Zion anytime they felt like it.  Who wants war more than any human or program?  I think you'll find your answers at 'Stalingrad'

Yeah, to bad Gray and Pace basicly just blew that idea out of the water when both of them admitted that the Cypherite Org was an elabrite form of control to keep the Zion awakenings of the 1% in check.

Sorry Machinest but your bosses are very much behind Cryptos and are the reason for the Cypherite organization.

Procurator]Indeed, this sadly appears to be true.

However, I stand by my statement that the General seemed a far more likely candidate as puppet master. What's more, as has been argued to death here already, the fact that the Machines controlled Cryptos means nothing. The Machines, when they told me about the Cypherites, still condemn their violent nature, and are working hard to ensure Veil does not continue to persue such a path.

Rest assured that, should Veil continue her murderous rampage, she will be removed from the equation.

It does mean something. They took people, both red and blue pills in this suposed "peace" and changed there very being. What does that say about this freedom they are supose to already have. Or that they were then used as spies to monitor Zion. This is a very compicated situation that trying to push out of the way wont fix.

Sooner or later the Machines are going to do something for Zion to make amends least we go to war again.

((Gami....need something to explain how you came about that information seeings how you are not supposed to have been able to do that mission if not a machinist.  It would be the same if I stated something from a Zion mission due to running it with an Alt.  Not to be mean or anything, but its odd you would know so fast in RP land ;-p  ))

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Oh yeah, and just 'cos the Machines controlled Cryptos doesn't mean they did anything to the other people Seraph's had dealings with.

((Gami....need something to explain how you came about that information seeings how you are not supposed to have been able to do that mission if not a machinist.  It would be the same if I stated something from a Zion mission due to running it with an Alt.  Not to be mean or anything, but its odd you would know so fast in RP land ;-p  ))

((Then apparently some Machinists talk too much..lol.  Your intimate knowledge about the situation was just wierd.  thought maybe it was some spy thing or something.  Just wante to know a little more about how you heard this in what you posted...like hearing it while sitting near a hardline or something.))

Your facts are straight about the situation Gami...though how you received that information is troubling.  The fact remains that it is understandable how the Cypherites created a balance to the EPN.  It is balance that allows the world to stay away from a course leading to chaos.  If one side is more powerful then the other...war is usually not too far off.  The situation at hand, however, is more important.  Veil is a major threat to the system and to Zion as well.  Left unchecked...her and her followers will create a dangerous situation.

((Then apparently some Machinists talk too much..lol.  Your intimate knowledge about the situation was just wierd.  thought maybe it was some spy thing or something.  Just wante to know a little more about how you heard this in what you posted...like hearing it while sitting near a hardline or something.))

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((Then apparently some Machinists talk too much..lol.  Your intimate knowledge about the situation was just wierd.  thought maybe it was some spy thing or something.  Just wante to know a little more about how you heard this in what you posted...like hearing it while sitting near a hardline or something.))

((well that and also ive pretty much had that idea sence starshwar waaaaaaaay back when showed me that little audio convo bettween Gray and Cryptos.))

Procurator]If you go to War again, the Machines will be disappointed, but not harmed. And humanity won't get another chance.

So confident. You been thinking ahead? I don't think so.
If we go to war it will be people like Illyria who are disappointed. The machines would likely have seen this coming.
((Especially considering that they have indirectly referred to Zion as their enemy))

Anyway, they can do whatever they want to Bluepills (the Matrix is out of bounds, technically, apart from awakenings). And Redpills? I don't know the details around their use yet, but they haven't showed any signs of wanting to be reinserted, so that's not their aim.

I think a lot of theories surrounding this stuff has come up, and let's face it, it sure as hell never makes the machines look any good.

Oh yeah, and just 'cos the Machines controlled Cryptos doesn't mean they did anything to the other people Seraph's had dealings with.

Theory debunked today. I thought there was something special about him too, but I guess he was just another victim, only with more importance.

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Fryzool wrote:

((Then apparently some Machinists talk too much..lol.  Your intimate knowledge about the situation was just wierd.  thought maybe it was some spy thing or something.  Just wante to know a little more about how you heard this in what you posted...like hearing it while sitting near a hardline or something.))

((well that and also ive pretty much had that idea sence starshwar waaaaaaaay back when showed me that little audio convo bettween Gray and Cryptos.))

((Or perhaps you just read the thread Veils in the missions and storyline board..))

Yes the Machines were behind it, it seems, but those who have seen their reasons ((you can see in the thread I mentioned above)) would have to agree.
The balance of the system means that up to 1% of the population of the system may reject the simulation, thus they can be told the truth and awakened according to the truce.
It seems that there are some Organisations out there that want more than 1% This in itself is against the truce...

We still seem to be hung up on Cryptos. *CENSORED* those other redpills and blues who got their mind changed on them unwillingly or unknowning eh? Dress it up all you like, state your reasons and logic behind it but in the end it just proves that the human race is still not free. Not when they are asleep in the pods, and no longer when they are awake in the real.