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[7.3.5] "What year is it?" - Syntax - 7/9/07
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Mainframe Invader

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Tick Tock eh? A program that is pissed off due to the Machines repeating 1999 all the time... I like it.

Time is a concept made up by man, it's not surprising that the Machines wanting to keep humans on the verge of creating AI, would come up with their own techniques to work around the human concept while still appearing to approximate realtime.

If humans were to create AI within the simulation... would it be true AI? Would it dream......?




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I've always wondered about time in the Matrix -- what a cool idea for an event!

 

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Croesus wrote:

If humans were to create AI within the simulation... would it be true AI? Would it dream......?


An AI simulating itself?  Brain . . . hurts . . . *pop*



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(( I'm glad the year thing's been cleared up properly, but I'm still not happy with it. The whole 1999 idea is one of the most stupid ideas the Wachowski brothers came up with.

Think about it: all that effort to make people think they've lived in different years. All the effort to change their memories, change the writing on paper, the data in computers and make it seem believable. The one reason they should have for going to all that trouble is to make sure that time doesn't progress too far and they 'run into themselves'. Makes sense. That's great.

Except that they're already having to make sure that nothing important gets invented!
Why can't they just do that with the natural progression of time? Obviously people don't find it odd that nothing gets invented in the past - why should they feel differently about the future? To them it's just a period of 80 or so years where nothing happens. There's no call to keep it the year 1999 whatsoever. ))



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((Paranoid much, Proc? SMILEY))


Systemic Anomaly

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(( No, just bloody annoyed. SMILEY ))



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One of the few "good" events fueled entirely by conversation. Great job.



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Cool looking event It lost me for a second but I got it back



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"Art, Science, Society, Politics, --all stuck in a permanant rut."


Kinda makes you wonder what they do to all the pioneers in those fields, or to those who push the borders of the 'norm'.  Makes me think of poor Dan Davis from "World Record".  The post is a bit of a change of pace but I like it since it shows that theres still things in the Matrix that aren't clear and need explaining.  Also the fact that when you read the logs you don't even notice at how fast the game time is progressing during the conversation. Very nice touch. SMILEY



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Wow, lucky guy, 1 on 1 event.


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Procurator wrote:
(( I'm glad the year thing's been cleared up properly, but I'm still not happy with it. The whole 1999 idea is one of the most stupid ideas the Wachowski brothers came up with.

Think about it: all that effort to make people think they've lived in different years. All the effort to change their memories, change the writing on paper, the data in computers and make it seem believable. The one reason they should have for going to all that trouble is to make sure that time doesn't progress too far and they 'run into themselves'. Makes sense. That's great.

Except that they're already having to make sure that nothing important gets invented!
Why can't they just do that with the natural progression of time? Obviously people don't find it odd that nothing gets invented in the past - why should they feel differently about the future? To them it's just a period of 80 or so years where nothing happens. There's no call to keep it the year 1999 whatsoever. ))
See, this is the thing that still continues to baffle me.

Nobody ever said, in any of the movies, that the matrix was permalocked in 1999.

"You think it is the year 1999, when it is actually closer to 2199...."


I just don't understand how this ever ended up being translated into "the matrix is permanently locked in 1999". its like some crazy fanboy idea that has somehow refused to die over the years and has now wormed its way into "official" continuity.

As nobody ever said anything about it being locked at 1999 in the film, its entirely reasonable to assume that Morpheus was explaining what the matrix was to neo at the point where the simulation just happened to be at some point in 1999, and time in the matrix would have continued to rumble on inside the simulation regardless.

If the matrix had just happened to be at 1991, or 95, or 90-something else during that conversation, I doubt anyone would have latched onto this idea. But purely because they happened to use the year 1999 (with all the loaded significance such a year brings with it), some people somewhere made the decision that this meant it was permanently 1999.

How? Why?

Did the W Bros themselves ever say it was locked into 1999?

Message edited by Paperghost on 07/14/2007 13:33:46.


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((Great to see some in-depth stuff on this. *CENSORED* the week I missed was good))



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Paperghost wrote:
Procurator wrote:
(( I'm glad the year thing's been cleared up properly, but I'm still not happy with it. The whole 1999 idea is one of the most stupid ideas the Wachowski brothers came up with.

Think about it: all that effort to make people think they've lived in different years. All the effort to change their memories, change the writing on paper, the data in computers and make it seem believable. The one reason they should have for going to all that trouble is to make sure that time doesn't progress too far and they 'run into themselves'. Makes sense. That's great.

Except that they're already having to make sure that nothing important gets invented!
Why can't they just do that with the natural progression of time? Obviously people don't find it odd that nothing gets invented in the past - why should they feel differently about the future? To them it's just a period of 80 or so years where nothing happens. There's no call to keep it the year 1999 whatsoever. ))
See, this is the thing that still continues to baffle me.

Nobody ever said, in any of the movies, that the matrix was permalocked in 1999.

"You think it is the year 1999, when it is actually closer to 2199...."


I just don't understand how this ever ended up being translated into "the matrix is permanently locked in 1999". its like some crazy fanboy idea that has somehow refused to die over the years and has now wormed its way into "official" continuity.

As nobody ever said anything about it being locked at 1999 in the film, its entirely reasonable to assume that Morpheus was explaining what the matrix was to neo at the point where the simulation just happened to be at some point in 1999, and time in the matrix would have continued to rumble on inside the simulation regardless.

If the matrix had just happened to be at 1991, or 95, or 90-something else during that conversation, I doubt anyone would have latched onto this idea. But purely because they happened to use the year 1999 (with all the loaded significance such a year brings with it), some people somewhere made the decision that this meant it was permanently 1999.

How? Why?

Did the W Bros themselves ever say it was locked into 1999?
Reloaded also has several anachronisms that back up this perspective. (i.e. car models, samsung sph-n270, etc)



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Wouldn't it be easier to backdate the Matrix to 1968 or 1975 or 1980 or 1946?  That way you have more of a progression of time and historicity (is that a word?) making the simulation more natural.



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What I want to know is what is the current year in the real?

 
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