Nah screw it, I'm pretty sure all your going to do is cover your ears and scream "nanananana I cant hear you!" when the truth bashes your face in.
So, what we have here is EPN not only desiring the genocide of the machine race, but also being more than willing to let the billions (not millions) of bluepills still jacked die, should they not find a way to shut down the system without either waking them up or finding another way to sustain them. You want to kill billions of sentient machines, and are willing to kill billions of human lives for a handful of militant fanatics? And people wonder why the machines don't trust us? I'll feel badly about putting down Zionites who value machine life but don't really know who else to fight along side... but I won't feel even a twinge of regret about stomping people like this.
The idea is to look for a different way, and just because the machinists haven't thought of a way to straighten this without controlling Zion, doesn't mean that there isn't a way to do so without forcing everybody out. Just because you don't see a solution, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This isn't about a "handful of militant fanatics" anymore. All Zionite opts in the Matrix are "dealt with" the same way, EPN or not. At this point, we know the Machine doesn't trust us, and we don't trust them. That's apparent. This isn't something new, it's just been brought out in the open. A bunch of rhetoric and talking about it isn't going to change anything. You mechs got your order 66, so bring it. Pointing a bunch of fingers and crying about it isn't going to stop a war. Plain and simple. - Ezechiel
*gives Ezek some dap*
Exactly, talk does *poop*. We know where each other stands and we know what our leader's words mean. What you make of it means about as much as what you had for breakfast to me so haveing to listen or argue with you at this point is well pointless.
Oh the memories..... it was like i was there... the whole time.
Pyraci wrote:The idea is to look for a different way, and just because the machinists haven't thought of a way to straighten this without controlling Zion, doesn't mean that there isn't a way to do so without forcing everybody out. Just because you don't see a solution, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This isn't about a "handful of militant fanatics" anymore. All Zionite opts in the Matrix are "dealt with" the same way, EPN or not. At this point, we know the Machine doesn't trust us, and we don't trust them. That's apparent. This isn't something new, it's just been brought out in the open. A bunch of rhetoric and talking about it isn't going to change anything. You mechs got your order 66, so bring it. Pointing a bunch of fingers and crying about it isn't going to stop a war. Plain and simple. - Ezechiel My focus in on Michael's willingness to destroy the machine race and his willingness to let the bluepills die if need be. I'm not sure how this response relates to mine in any way shape or form.
Nah I got this, man. Lucen wrote:So, what we have here is EPN not only desiring the genocide of the machine race, but also being more than willing to let the billions (not millions) of bluepills still jacked die, should they not find a way to shut down the system without either waking them up or finding another way to sustain them. You want to kill billions of sentient machines, and are willing to kill billions of human lives for a handful of militant fanatics? And people wonder why the machines don't trust us? I'll feel badly about putting down Zionites who value machine life but don't really know who else to fight along side... but I won't feel even a twinge of regret about stomping people like this. GamiSB wrote:"I'm not going to advocate any plan that results in millions of deaths--not if there's any other way" ~ KidThat ends the discussion about them wanting to kill the blues still in the system. The official stance is against it. If you don't believe me (because Zion and everybody in it is inherently a liar, apparently), you can go back to the first page and check the screenshot yourself. This isn't about a "handful of militant fanatics" anymore. All Zionite opts in the Matrix are "dealt with" the same way, EPN or not. At this point, we know the Machine doesn't trust us, and we don't trust them. That's apparent. This isn't something new, it's just been brought out in the open. A bunch of rhetoric and talking about it isn't going to change anything. You mechs got your order 66, so bring it. Pointing a bunch of fingers and crying about it isn't going to stop a war. Plain and simple. - Ezechiel
"I'm not going to advocate any plan that results in millions of deaths--not if there's any other way" ~ Kid
Lucen wrote:So, what we have here is EPN not only desiring the genocide of the machine race, but also being more than willing to let the billions (not millions) of bluepills still jacked die, should they not find a way to shut down the system without either waking them up or finding another way to sustain them. You want to kill billions of sentient machines, and are willing to kill billions of human lives for a handful of militant fanatics? And people wonder why the machines don't trust us? I'll feel badly about putting down Zionites who value machine life but don't really know who else to fight along side... but I won't feel even a twinge of regret about stomping people like this. Pointing a bunch of fingers and crying about it isn't going to stop a war. Plain and simple. - Ezechiel
Pyraci wrote:Nah I got this, man. Lucen wrote:So, what we have here is EPN not only desiring the genocide of the machine race, but also being more than willing to let the billions (not millions) of bluepills still jacked die, should they not find a way to shut down the system without either waking them up or finding another way to sustain them. You want to kill billions of sentient machines, and are willing to kill billions of human lives for a handful of militant fanatics? And people wonder why the machines don't trust us? I'll feel badly about putting down Zionites who value machine life but don't really know who else to fight along side... but I won't feel even a twinge of regret about stomping people like this. GamiSB wrote:"I'm not going to advocate any plan that results in millions of deaths--not if there's any other way" ~ KidThat ends the discussion about them wanting to kill the blues still in the system. The official stance is against it. If you don't believe me (because Zion and everybody in it is inherently a liar, apparently), you can go back to the first page and check the screenshot yourself. This isn't about a "handful of militant fanatics" anymore. All Zionite opts in the Matrix are "dealt with" the same way, EPN or not. At this point, we know the Machine doesn't trust us, and we don't trust them. That's apparent. This isn't something new, it's just been brought out in the open. A bunch of rhetoric and talking about it isn't going to change anything. You mechs got your order 66, so bring it. Pointing a bunch of fingers and crying about it isn't going to stop a war. Plain and simple. - Ezechiel I did see Popper saying; "I'm not going to advocate any plan that results in millions of deaths--not if there's any other way" But again, how many would he sacrifice if all that stood between defeat and victory were bluepills? 1?... 10?... 100?... 1000?... 10,000?...... How many is acceptable for victory? It seems as the most effective way of commiting the genocide of Machinekind is to take away their power source, but as the bluepills are dependant on the system, they'd either have to be woken up or killed. Now there is no way to house that many bluepills, many of them will most likely starve.... Can you really say that Popper, that you, that EPN, wouldn't sacrifice the life of just one innocent bluepill to defeat the Machines? Or does he mean that millions is unacceptable, thousands is ok? Have you also thought that life is not restricted to Flesh and blood? Programs and Machines written and built for duties other than war, innocent of any decisions made by Machine hierarchy? Do these intelligent lives mean nothing to you? Does Popper mean that if these lives can be spared he will spare them?
1. Michael already dismissed the Matrix as being the weak spot. 2. We have never wanted to kill blues for any reason what so ever. 3. We are well aware of the fact that killing the Machines would kill blues. 4. He means what he says, that if a life has to be taken to shut down the Machine, we won't do it. 5. He saved us he saved them he saved the Matrix. <-- Core piece of EPN doctrine.
Pyraci wrote:Lucen wrote:So, what we have here is EPN not only desiring the genocide of the machine race, but also being more than willing to let the billions (not millions) of bluepills still jacked die, should they not find a way to shut down the system without either waking them up or finding another way to sustain them. You want to kill billions of sentient machines, and are willing to kill billions of human lives for a handful of militant fanatics? And people wonder why the machines don't trust us? I'll feel badly about putting down Zionites who value machine life but don't really know who else to fight along side... but I won't feel even a twinge of regret about stomping people like this. Pointing a bunch of fingers and crying about it isn't going to stop a war. Plain and simple. - Ezechiel Machinists want things to be worked out and dealt with differantly, instead of pointing the gun. You zions act like your the innocent, yet here you are advocating war with a gun in your hand, WANTING A WAR? No wonder there's an army of sentiant programs coming to kill you all! Enjoy your time whilst you can, terrorists. As for you, ezec.. it may be sooner than you think. I've been acheing for the thrill of a kill. spha x
