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 08/22/2008 10:26:52
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Vindicator
Joined: Jul 27, 2007
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Could you give us a number?
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 08/22/2008 10:33:02
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MC Photographer
Joined: Nov 17, 2005
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Location: La Tour de Merovee, Outpost Segur
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:: Closes eyes, pinches bridge of nose:: God and ye gods, the very sound of that is giving me a migrane... In a construct stored on a mainframe owned by the House of Forseti, the Provisioner is screaming bloody blue murder Morraeon: :: Starts sharpening knives::
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 08/22/2008 10:39:11
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Systemic Anomaly
Joined: Aug 27, 2005
Messages: 1995
Location: Syntax:Recurs HvCft Rocinante-Captain Level 50 Hacker http://matrix.hax.nu
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Tranta wrote:
I have reviewed casualty estimates, from Machine files. There were locations our brief scan didn't take into account.
I'm afraid the bluepill death toll is a little more grave... How. . .convenient.
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 08/22/2008 10:50:48
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Femme Fatale
Joined: Aug 22, 2005
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Tranta wrote:
I have reviewed casualty estimates, from Machine files. There were locations our brief scan didn't take into account.
I'm afraid the bluepill death toll is a little more grave... hmm, not good.
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 08/22/2008 11:19:08
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Vindicator
Joined: Aug 16, 2005
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Location: The Saltpillar
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Vinia wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
What's the cheaper shot - criticizing the sparse use of code bombs? Or criticizing the common occurrence of agent intrusion? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Good for these guys. Glad to see some initiative. It's come to the point where death is the only way some prisoners will achieve any freedom, and the only way where we will be able to achieve total freedom.
Freedom by death? Do they get a choice about it? Something you've been so adament about giving them in the past. I can see now that you are either weak willed and can't keep to your own convictions, or you're a liar. A code bomb has much more potential to damage the simulation and kill innocents then an Agent which attempts to protect the system and the innocents within. You're right, it is a no brainer. So when is your interview for joining LV then? Perhaps the Machines should allow them to get a choice in life. But that's somewhat beside the point. My goal has never been a choice for all. I'm not EPN. My goal has been freedom for all who can accept it. So you give the choice to those who can hash it, when you can, if you can under this Machine dictum, and what are you left with when they're all out? The batteries that fuel the warmachine which oppresses us. But they're not to blame - how can they be? They were born into a slavery they don't even recognize. So their deaths are not my goal, nor do I believe that to be the goal of anyone I know (though I can't count these people in that list). And, of course, it's best to set code bombs off in secluded areas where bluepills will not be effected. But because the goal is to break the System, some bluepills will die. Minimizing the number of casualties is, of course, a priority, and the more that can be saved, the better. But so long as the Machines label the choice as a terroristic action, there will be no peace. And some death will be required to break the chains where it was not required before. And the thing is - they have the power to end this. With a word. With a whisper. But they won't. And you don't even know why they won't. And you don't even care. So don't cry to me about my actions, or the actions of a few renegade EPN members. We're terrorists, remember? We use methods which inspire terror in an attempt to achieve our goals. Freedom, not by permission, but by birth. And yet you act so surprised to see "terrorists" living up to the title they were arbitrarily assigned. Perhaps you should ask the Machines to stop creating self-fulfilling prophecies.
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 08/22/2008 15:56:01
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Vindicator
Joined: Sep 15, 2005
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As ever Neoteny manages to talk more sense than everyone else combined.
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 08/22/2008 16:07:53
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Contact
Joined: Mar 23, 2007
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Tranque101 wrote:
Could you give us a number? We're looking in the region of maybe 50 to 70. It could have been much worse.
But that's still a lot of people.
And convenience? Yes. How convenient that, during a raid from an extremist Pluribite cell, bluepills got killed. That is precisely what I was hoping for.
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 08/22/2008 16:43:48
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Vindicator
Joined: Aug 15, 2005
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"Cryptos was once a strong Zion supporter who advocated finding a way to nuke the Matrix."
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 08/22/2008 17:15:25
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Contact
Joined: Mar 23, 2007
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ZaneZavin wrote:
"Cryptos was once a strong Zion supporter who advocated finding a way to nuke the Matrix." Allow me to re-emphasise that.
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 08/22/2008 18:04:38
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Mainframe Invader
Joined: Dec 27, 2006
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Location: The Real World This is how MxO ends: Not with a bang but a whimper
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Asa wrote:
As ever Neoteny manages to talk more sense than everyone else combined. Makes sense only to those also indoctrinated to that viewpoint.
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 08/22/2008 19:08:32
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Mainframe Invader
Joined: Nov 13, 2006
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With a computer system, it is most often more economical and efficient to keep the one you have, if the cost of updating its programs and software and eliminating any viruses which may arise is cheaper than buying a new system altogether. However, when so many errors and malfunctions arise which render it unusable, there is most often little choice but to begin using a new one. In practical terms, if the situation becomes so dire within the Simulation that the Machines' very existance would be threatened from within it, would not they simply reset it (with as many redpills as possible still jacked in), aswell as positioning very available Sentinel in the New Zion access tunnels to prevent the departure or arrival of any Operatives and Hovercrafts?
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 08/22/2008 19:13:07
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Vindicator
Joined: Aug 16, 2005
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You can't reset a broken computer.
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 08/23/2008 20:38:48
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Vindicator
Joined: Aug 15, 2005
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Don't forget your roots. That's all I'm saying.
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