Update 58 Discussion

**Brommerz77** · 02/22/2008 17:47:34

That hyper deflect change is just daft.....

Now along with the other hypers, it makes group pvp just suicidal. Defense against one thing, and get raped by everything else.....

**SolidRevolver**

- An AI bug causing patrolling mission NPCs to leave the mission area and navigate to 0, 0, 0 has been fixed.

Sexy enough to join S9! SMILEY

- Hyper-Deflect can no longer be used at the same time as the other three Hyper- abilities.

... hmm, I'd rather see it as we could use any two Hypers we chose, now we can only use 1... also, I have to go through all my load outs now as I have them /saveloed >_<

**Mitrios** · 02/22/2008 17:48:41

*CENSORED* kinda improvement is hyper defect no longer working with hyper dodge/block/sense. Make it so sense and Deflect are linked together so you can only have one of them on at a time. Way to bust up something that was working fine. PvP just got really stupid.

**AltDimension**

- Hyper-Deflect can no longer be used at the same time as the other three Hyper- abilities.

That sucks! Ugh now hackers are even more powerful...

**Rarebit**

I should mention that there still may be other things that cause NPCs to get lost and wander to 0, 0, 0. If that turns up again we'd need some good reports from you guys on exactly where, what mission you were running, and so forth. Hopefully it was just the one cause that was the problem, but we can't be sure.

**Gerik**

AltDimension wrote:

- Hyper-Deflect can no longer be used at the same time as the other three Hyper- abilities.

That sucks! Ugh now hackers are even more powerful...

Not something I think should of been done... should of made Hyper Sense stack with Hyper Block or Dodge imo.

**Travi** · 02/22/2008 17:53:23

Slowly, we return to the original combat system.
I must say, this is not a very good add-on. Hackers are fine the way they are, now you can only defend against whomever you're in interlock with.
I question this update now, as I believe just about everyone will go Hacker and/or Spy again.
Just my 2 cents on the subject, I won't argue the point.

However, the NPCs not taking a stroll anymore will be a plus.
But having to refigure out the new changes on the abilities, that'll be a pain.

**flecky**

Latest patch 4TL now..........

**AltDimension**

Gerik wrote:

AltDimension wrote:
- Hyper-Deflect can no longer be used at the same time as the other three Hyper- abilities.

That sucks! Ugh now hackers are even more powerful...
Not something I think should of been done... should of made Hyper Sense stack with Hyper Block or Dodge imo.

Yeah that would have been good too. But TBH I think everyone is happy the way it stack already.

**Mitrios**

Make it work like Armored and Shielded clothing. Block can't be on when Dodge is on, Sense can't be on when Deflect is on. God what a stupid idea.

**exsuscito** · 02/22/2008 17:56:51

I don't see the issue. Hackers were stripped of their all-conquering prowess in CR2, so it made little sense to enable Deflect to run along with any other Hyper. Now you just have to keep your wits about you and switch where applicable, just as you would if you find yourself versus a knifer after a gunman, for example.

Edit: I can see what everyone's saying, and I do anticipate a hail of DOT's in the coming days. I also think it'll level out, however.

**SolidRevolver**

Travi wrote:

Slowly, we return to the original combat system.

CR3.0 in 2009? SMILEY

**Marias**

Pretty much what everyone else is saying about the change, Hyper Sense and Deflect should have been linked together.

**LoTekGhost**

Yeah, I think it should've always been Deflect/Sense + Dodge/Block (choice of the 2)...I'm a little curious to see how this will impact PvP now...heck, even PvE to a degree.

**Brommerz77**

exsuscito wrote:

I don't see the issue. Hackers were stripped of their all-conquering prowess in CR2, so it made little sense to enable Deflect to run along with any other Hyper. Now you just have to keep your wits about you and switch where applicable, just as you would if you find yourself versus a knifer after a gunmen, for example.

I'd like to see you efficiently switch between all 4 defenses when you're getting zerged. Hacker was working just fine in CR2, it's balanced unlike CR1 hacker. Now it just means you're definitely more likely to get hit by hack after hack while you're in interlock with an MA or gunman or mkt, and getting owned by the rest of the other trees just because you can only have one hyper activated.