Now, why should we be concerned?  I had always assumed we were monitored in some way.  There has to be some kind of oversight, so that dangerous or unstable people can't get into positions where they can do real damage...unless you're in Zion, where people like Anome can rise to the top of the ranks. 

Like I said, we have to separate the wheat from the chaff. 

Anyway, I'm surprised no Zionite or EPN has had something to say about Pace's statement "The One is dead, Ms. Dodson, and the anomaly eliminated."

If I were you, I'd re-evaluate that statement, because there is gravity to those words beyond your suggestion of monitoring. They have taken measures to ensure that you do not become a threat to the System.

Now being that they cannot read your minds, and have no way of controlling your actions, I'd say they don't much have a way to stop you before you become a problem if they're just monitoring you. Oh, maybe they could stop you after you've become a threat. But as it stands, they've got no way to stop you before you become a threat.

Now, this suggests that they're going to do something to you once you've finished helping them decimate Zion. Something I'd be willing to bet you won't like - being overwritten, killed, hovercraft swarmed and destroyed by Machines. They know where your ships are, right? Hah! It doesn't matter how, really, but the facts have been stated.

They're going to take away your freedom to think and act on your own, so that you can never become a threat to the System by some means. There is no other way to keep a human being from doing something.

That being said, the fact that these precautions have never come into effect is a testament to the Machinists' loyalty and the value the Machines see in our service.

Now, this suggests that they're going to do something to you once you've finished helping them decimate Zion. Something I'd be willing to bet you won't like - being overwritten, killed, hovercraft swarmed and destroyed by Machines. They know where your ships are, right? Hah! It doesn't matter how, really, but the facts have been stated.

They're going to take away your freedom to think and act on your own, so that you can never become a threat to the System by some means. There is no other way to keep a human being from doing something.

Like I said, we have to separate the wheat from the chaff. 

Anyway, I'm surprised no Zionite or EPN has had something to say about Pace's statement "The One is dead, Ms. Dodson, and the anomaly eliminated."

 

Illyria

Illyria22 wrote:

Like I said, we have to separate the wheat from the chaff. 

Anyway, I'm surprised no Zionite or EPN has had something to say about Pace's statement "The One is dead, Ms. Dodson, and the anomaly eliminated."

 

Illyria

Just needed to be patient, that's all. I'm saying something about it now.

What she didn't tell you that the Colonel himself said is that the "anomaly" is systemic. Because it doesn't exist as Neo at this time doesn't mean it won't emerge again. It is a flaw in the system. If the system was flawless, people wouldn't reject it on their own.

Another thing that I see most Machinists haven't realized is that many of us already considered "The One" to be dead anyway. But that's even more reason for us to take action and do things for ourselves. This doesn't demoralize us, it strengthens us. The saviors in many religions and systems of belief are dead, yet people still live, think, and do for themselves without being plugged into and dependent on the Machine. We have done so and will continue to do so.

Thats not how they want you to respond! You're supose to say "lawl N30 not deadz! He pwns j00 all in 2 dirts nubs!". Wait never mind thats how they're going to read it anyway.

Neoteny wrote:

Now, this suggests that they're going to do something to you once you've finished helping them decimate Zion. Something I'd be willing to bet you won't like - being overwritten, killed, hovercraft swarmed and destroyed by Machines. They know where your ships are, right? Hah! It doesn't matter how, really, but the facts have been stated.

They're going to take away your freedom to think and act on your own, so that you can never become a threat to the System by some means. There is no other way to keep a human being from doing something.

Once we finish them decimate Zion, as you put it, if that's what the eventual outcome is, our purpose will still be the same, to protect the simulation and those who rely upon it for their survival.
There would be no reason for the Machines to rid themselves of a valuable resource, there will always be threats to the system beyond the current threats.

Machinists have been employed by the Machines because we can evaluate what we do and act in accordance with guidelines approved by the Machines. These guidelines are no different from any laws that govern any civilised society.

The statement provided by Pace only confirms that we are continually monitored for our safety and efficiency and they would be, in fact, be able to prevent a Machinist from becoming a threat as probability routines are always functioning and evaluating.

Once again an enemy to the system and Machinists jumps on a statement made by an official of that system and only sees as much as they need to to twist it around in order to try to make us question our beliefs.

What is naive, is thinking that EPN and Zion propaganda will make us question our ethics and ideals.

Now, this suggests that they're going to do something to you once you've finished helping them decimate Zion. Something I'd be willing to bet you won't like - being overwritten, killed, hovercraft swarmed and destroyed by Machines. They know where your ships are, right? Hah! It doesn't matter how, really, but the facts have been stated.

Sometimes soldiers have to give their lives for the greater good.  I would do this voluntarily if it meant that billions of my fellow human beings would survive.  Not that I want to be overwritten or killed, of course...it's just that I knew when I got into this that I might not make it to retirement age. 

Pyraci wrote:

What she didn't tell you that the Colonel himself said is that the "anomaly" is systemic. Because it doesn't exist as Neo at this time doesn't mean it won't emerge again. It is a flaw in the system. If the system was flawless, people wouldn't reject it on their own.

Another thing that I see most Machinists haven't realized is that many of us already considered "The One" to be dead anyway. But that's even more reason for us to take action and do things for ourselves. This doesn't demoralize us, it strengthens us.

Actually, I wasn't thinking of this in terms of demoralizing Zion or EPN; I was looking at it as a hint as to where the cycle of the Matrix and the One is paused.  (And I agree that the anomaly will emerge again, but only after the cycle is restarted.)  Because it was said the anomaly was eliminated, I'm taking this to mean that the most recent version of the One has fulfilled his purpose, and the prime program has already returned to the Source.  This would remove the anomaly from the current iteration of the Matrix -- the one that's nearing its end.  So the next step after this in the cycle is the destruction of Zion.  But we've been paused in the cycle between the return of the One to the Source and this next step.

My prediction is that the final phase of the cycle is coming.  Zion will be destroyed and the cycle will be restarted. 

Illyria

Croesus wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Now, this suggests that they're going to do something to you once you've finished helping them decimate Zion. Something I'd be willing to bet you won't like - being overwritten, killed, hovercraft swarmed and destroyed by Machines. They know where your ships are, right? Hah! It doesn't matter how, really, but the facts have been stated.

They're going to take away your freedom to think and act on your own, so that you can never become a threat to the System by some means. There is no other way to keep a human being from doing something.

Once we finish them decimate Zion, as you put it, if that's what the eventual outcome is, our purpose will still be the same, to protect the simulation and those who rely upon it for their survival.
There would be no reason for the Machines to rid themselves of a valuable resource, there will always be threats to the system beyond the current threats.

Machinists have been employed by the Machines because we can evaluate what we do and act in accordance with guidelines approved by the Machines. These guidelines are no different from any laws that govern any civilised society.

The statement provided by Pace only confirms that we are continually monitored for our safety and efficiency and they would be, in fact, be able to prevent a Machinist from becoming a threat as probability routines are always functioning and evaluating.

Once again an enemy to the system and Machinists jumps on a statement made by an official of that system and only sees as much as they need to to twist it around in order to try to make us question our beliefs.

What is naive, is thinking that EPN and Zion propaganda will make us question our ethics and ideals.

The truth is never convenient. For that, I apologize.

Actually, I wasn't thinking of this in terms of demoralizing Zion or EPN; I was looking at it as a hint as to where the cycle of the Matrix and the One is paused.  (And I agree that the anomaly will emerge again, but only after the cycle is restarted.)  Because it was said the anomaly was eliminated, I'm taking this to mean that the most recent version of the One has fulfilled his purpose, and the prime program has already returned to the Source.  This would remove the anomaly from the current iteration of the Matrix -- the one that's nearing its end.  So the next step after this in the cycle is the destruction of Zion.  But we've been paused in the cycle between the return of the One to the Source and this next step.

My prediction is that the final phase of the cycle is coming.  Zion will be destroyed and the cycle will be restarted. 

 

Illyria

Agent Gray: In the past, the city was repopulated following a reset of the simulation. A vital factor contributing to such a reset no longer exists. Therefore, the old system of re-establishing the city of Zion is no longer valid, and may not be necessary.

Sorry but when Neo died so did the cycle.

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Agent Gray: In the past, the city was repopulated following a reset of the simulation. A vital factor contributing to such a reset no longer exists. Therefore, the old system of re-establishing the city of Zion is no longer valid, and may not be necessary.

Sorry but when Neo died so did the cycle.

Illyria22 wrote:

Like I said, we have to separate the wheat from the chaff. 

Anyway, I'm surprised no Zionite or EPN has had something to say about Pace's statement "The One is dead, Ms. Dodson, and the anomaly eliminated."

 

Illyria

Just needed to be patient, that's all. I'm saying something about it now.

What she didn't tell you that the Colonel himself said is that the "anomaly" is systemic. Because it doesn't exist as Neo at this time doesn't mean it won't emerge again. It is a flaw in the system. If the system was flawless, people wouldn't reject it on their own.

Another thing that I see most Machinists haven't realized is that many of us already considered "The One" to be dead anyway. But that's even more reason for us to take action and do things for ourselves. This doesn't demoralize us, it strengthens us. The saviors in many religions and systems of belief are dead, yet people still live, think, and do for themselves without being plugged into and dependent on the Machine. We have done so and will continue to do so.