Nuclear bombing of 01

**GirlyGurl84**

ok so we know that man bombed 01 almost night and day with nuclear weapons. When an atomic bomb goes off it releases an EMP of the entire blast radius, with so many nukes falling on 01 you might wonder a few things. The intese heat by the dropping of many possibly hundreds of atomic weapons, each around assumingly 10megatons, The devistation is also in the form of an artifical earthquake. Also many robots used to clean up chernobyl, die within a few uses of the machine. So why is 01 still standing? the blasts of hundreds of bombs alone should have been enough to flatten 01.

**AqueousRei**

The 01 in the game is a Matrix construct... and the animatrix was archive footage. I am not exactly sure that the machine city is the same location of 01 if that is what you mean by "still standing"... but if it is then perhaps the city of zion is older than you think.

**GirlyGurl84**

What im talking about is why the machines were able to defeat the humans go to war etc... the blasts from the bombs should have destroyed the machines. Also has anyone explained why neo was able to destroyed the squiddys?

phaydren

The reason i believe 01 was still standing was because the machines were still around after the bombings is due to an underground shielded bunker (talking lead here people, not start trek) and it was probably a few miles down as the range of a nuke, even its shockwave is fairly limited when it tries to penetrate a good distance into solid rock, maybe a mile or two.

also you have to rember that the matrix and even the archived events of the animatrix are set in a not to distant future, so the machines were probably buiilt of stronger stuff, more than likley EMP resistant,(although maybe that line of thinking is flawed due to the movies).

another reason was the city numbering system: 01, ingame we have 10 which is a lesser area but also shows that the machines control could have been decentralized and there could have been numerous backup stations burried under the ground far away, so that should the worst come to the worst they could always rebuild.

As to why neo could destroy the squiddies, he was linked to the source after the events in the second movie, althouh not a direct link, most if not all the equipment in the tunnels was linked to 01 in some form or other, the broad cast lines into the matrix being the most well known.

Seing as the linking was just another form of control they may have wantedto keep tabs on him. What may have been diffrent when neo acctually destroyed the squiddies with his "mind" was that he was tapping into the machine network subconciousley and without knowing how he did it, disabled them. This of cours the first time would have put an enorumus strain on his body, rendering him unconcious, which brings me to my second point - mobil avenue, the area he appears in after going into the coma, it is the gateway through which all non machine data flows into the matrix (possibly one of many) but more importantly it shows that wven without the jack in his head he was still in someway connected to the machines networks.

*gasps for breath*

**GamiSB**

phaydren wrote:

As to why neo could destroy the squiddies, he was linked to the source after the events in the second movie, althouh not a direct link, most if not all the equipment in the tunnels was linked to 01 in some form or other, the broad cast lines into the matrix being the most well known.

Seing as the linking was just another form of control they may have wantedto keep tabs on him. What may have been diffrent when neo acctually destroyed the squiddies with his "mind" was that he was tapping into the machine network subconciousley and without knowing how he did it, disabled them. This of cours the first time would have put an enorumus strain on his body, rendering him unconcious, which brings me to my second point - mobil avenue, the area he appears in after going into the coma, it is the gateway through which all non machine data flows into the matrix (possibly one of many) but more importantly it shows that wven without the jack in his head he was still in someway connected to the machines networks.

*gasps for breath*

in other words Neo had a wireless conection to the sorce after him and the architect had a little chat.

**Roukan**

phaydren wrote:

The reason i believe 01 was still standing was because the machines were still around after the bombings is due to an underground shielded bunker (talking lead here people, not start trek) and it was probably a few miles down as the range of a nuke, even its shockwave is fairly limited when it tries to penetrate a good distance into solid rock, maybe a mile or two.

Which is what I think all those tunnels Zion uses came from. Unless that's explained elsewhere...

**MetaLogic**

Roukan wrote:

phaydren wrote:
The reason i believe 01 was still standing was because the machines were still around after the bombings is due to an underground shielded bunker (talking lead here people, not start trek) and it was probably a few miles down as the range of a nuke, even its shockwave is fairly limited when it tries to penetrate a good distance into solid rock, maybe a mile or two.

Which is what I think all those tunnels Zion uses came from. Unless that's explained elsewhere...

I thought in The original Matrix system Trinity said they were sewers for the machines, I don't know the exact wordings of it.

**imax**

MetaLogic wrote:

Roukan wrote:
phaydren wrote:
The reason i believe 01 was still standing was because the machines were still around after the bombings is due to an underground shielded bunker (talking lead here people, not start trek) and it was probably a few miles down as the range of a nuke, even its shockwave is fairly limited when it tries to penetrate a good distance into solid rock, maybe a mile or two.

Which is what I think all those tunnels Zion uses came from. Unless that's explained elsewhere...

I thought in The original Matrix system Trinity said they were sewers for the machines, I don't know the exact wordings of it.

"Old swerers ans subway systems, There used to be citys that spaned hundreds of miles, now these sewers are all thats left of them.

She doesnt say if they were machine or human citys, but im assuming machine citys since those sewers and tunnles were HUGE and since we dont have citys that span hundreds of miles.

You gotta think just how big the world REALLY is. I mean its HUGE!!!! i like to think that yea the machine citys in the animatrix were HUGE HUGE HUGE. and the nukes did ALOT of damge to them. however the damage was not near as permantant since the machine were much more resistant to them than humans would have been.

Human city destroyed by nuke. Everyone dies, takes FOREVER for humans to rebuild.

Stronger more durable Machine city hit with Nukes and heavly damaged but not destroyed. And Machines not killed just knocked off line still restarted. And More efficent, stronger, faster, smarter than humans so doesnt take near as long to recover.

Also these wars went on for years and years. not like it was an overnight deal.

**Fondo**

imax wrote:

MetaLogic wrote:
Roukan wrote:
phaydren wrote:
The reason i believe 01 was still standing was because the machines were still around after the bombings is due to an underground shielded bunker (talking lead here people, not start trek) and it was probably a few miles down as the range of a nuke, even its shockwave is fairly limited when it tries to penetrate a good distance into solid rock, maybe a mile or two.

Which is what I think all those tunnels Zion uses came from. Unless that's explained elsewhere...

I thought in The original Matrix system Trinity said they were sewers for the machines, I don't know the exact wordings of it.

"Old swerers ans subway systems, There used to be citys that spaned hundreds of miles, now these sewers are all thats left of them.
She doesnt say if they were machine or human citys, but im assuming machine citys since those sewers and tunnles were HUGE and since we dont have citys that span hundreds of miles.
You gotta think just how big the world REALLY is. I mean its HUGE!!!! i like to think that yea the machine citys in the animatrix were HUGE HUGE HUGE. and the nukes did ALOT of damge to them. however the damage was not near as permantant since the machine were much more resistant to them than humans would have been.

Human city destroyed by nuke. Everyone dies, takes FOREVER for humans to rebuild.
Stronger more durable Machine city hit with Nukes and heavly damaged but not destroyed. And Machines not killed just knocked off line still restarted. And More efficent, stronger, faster, smarter than humans so doesnt take near as long to recover.
Also these wars went on for years and years. not like it was an overnight deal.

Well the inital debate in UN and such might have taken years but the war itself took, at the most, a couple months. Because as they mention in theAanimatrix that the machines had long studied the humans bodie, which then showed a bunch of people messed up. So I think the machines Virus bombed human citys and took down the soldiers in comabt as seen in the Animatrix. But Years? No I don't think so. At the most months.

Laters

**Mercio**

the robots of today and tomorrow are two way different things. Uber leet robots are resistant to Radiation. And um as far as the emp... maybe they shut down their machines until the raiding was over. Kinda like Great Britain did in WWII when the germans bombed them :/

**GirlyGurl84**

when an EMP goes off it doesnt just shut off a machine like a robot, it permantley destroys it, the circuits fry like KFC chicken, there is no way the machines cities could have resited the FORCE of the bombs. A nuke will cause huge craters and holes and severly damage steel structures when the metal is constantly submitted to high levels of heat and radition, it makes metal corode and bend. I dont believe that we could have won, but i also dont believe the machines were realtively unharmed thats total BS. Aslo i do think the machines used biological weapons on the remaining humans. Every time i see the part where the machines were conducting experiments it makes me wanna throw up. I have a question that seems kinda intresting, especially dealing with the rumors surrounding the release of reloaded. Some people said that real world was the matrix too. Although it doesnt fit the film i wonder maybe it was another matrix thats why neo was able to control the machines in the real. Perhaps the humans did win the war and decided to construct a program to imprison the machines in a world where they had won, but in fact never did. If some 15 year old kid could hack the FBI to look for UFO files, why couldnt we have come up with some elaborate computer virus? hell just go in there and load windows 95 into the machines and the humans would have won.

**Mercio** · 10/21/2006 13:22:19

well then how did the hovercrafts ,when shut of,f send out an emp and still start back up?

lmao! that or load a beta version of vista

phaydren

crash em completly, load a clean install of windows xp..........

phaydren

oh yeah thers some flase facts about electro magnetic pulses, but one thing im quite sure of is that the machine in question has to be active, that way its generating its own magnetic field, as all machines do.

the way the pulse works is to interfere with the normal field of sensitive electronics causing ireperable harm.

also lead shielding can absorb quite a lot of this harmfull interference i think

**Crieses-mxo**

You're right about the shielding; in an EMP test centre that was on TV as part of a 'histroy of computers' of computers show, the computer in the room wouldn't reboot after the test, but the phone in the sealed lead box was fine.