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[7.3.2] It isn't working like the General intended it to - Syntax - 6/11/07
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Systemic Anomaly

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Nathics wrote:
((You're assuming a lot there.))

(( Oh yeah? SMILEY Show me where anyone else suggested it was the General earlier. Unfortunately Zampano only posted his theory on a private forum which I can't link to, but I nabbed his theory and posted it here:

http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/...mp;#36300208937 ))



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I told you so.




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*Starts laughing again.*

Oh, I forgot about that one. Pure class. SMILEY



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The_Big_V wrote:

Hmm, The General being responsible for the Morpheus sim was so....predictable.  His rebellion wasn't.

Aha, this is that "one last thing" The General had to take care of.

Now that The General is the cause of all evil and mischeif in the world, once he finally leaves, who will be the next great Villain?

Kinda what I was feeling. Predictable. And now we wait for the next evil villain to come to the Mega City.



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NightTrace wrote:
The_Big_V wrote:

Hmm, The General being responsible for the Morpheus sim was so....predictable.  His rebellion wasn't.

Aha, this is that "one last thing" The General had to take care of.

Now that The General is the cause of all evil and mischeif in the world, once he finally leaves, who will be the next great Villain?

Kinda what I was feeling. Predictable. And now we wait for the next evil villain to come to the Mega City.
I call dibs on being the next villain.


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((Something else that came to mind when thinking about this whole ordeal and the General's apparent and rapidly approaching demise; this computer from a Mach 7.2 crit (can't remember which specifically), but it's something that always stuck in my head:



Now the question is...was it the Morpheus-sim that was being referred to or some other as-yet uncovered plot the General has up his sleeve?  Or something that has already been revealed that I just didn't think of in terms of applying to this message.  =P

Thoughts?))



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Zudrag wrote:
NightTrace wrote:
The_Big_V wrote:

Hmm, The General being responsible for the Morpheus sim was so....predictable.  His rebellion wasn't.

Aha, this is that "one last thing" The General had to take care of.

Now that The General is the cause of all evil and mischeif in the world, once he finally leaves, who will be the next great Villain?

Kinda what I was feeling. Predictable. And now we wait for the next evil villain to come to the Mega City.
I call dibs on being the next villain.
Apparently Chapter 8 could be focusing more on the Merovingian, from the Image Retrieval a few weeks back.



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phi wrote:
Coro wrote:
phi wrote:

Form dictates function eh?

A few thoughts...

the general might find a nasty surprise if he attacks Zion - Niobe (paraphrased) : could this be illuding to the hardware being moved out of Zion?

The General is a shrewd and cunning mind. I would not be at all surprised if this apparent mutany causing him to run with his tail between his legs is merely a ploy to lowwer our guard towards the simulacrum and assume the General is on the run... I wouldn't be the first diversionary tactic he's tried. (( His face is on the Megacity Map that came with the Game box... don't assume he'll be gone anytime soon. How many main events has he been the root cause of... even the unlimits))

If it really was Morpheus that was killed by the assassin, and it really was his corpse that exploded into a cloud of flies, what's to say that this sim that has been filled with the appearance, behavioral patterns and recordings of the real Morpheus isn't acting like a lightning-rod attracting more of Morpheus' mind into it (assuming that morpheus' psyche was partially or completely dispersed into the code of the Matrix).

Who can say what unpredictable things may be happening now that the reset cycle of the Matrix has been brought to a halt.

 

Nothing ever goes quite right...


Whilst there is currently little to support such a theory, I like this idea alot: It holds a certain symmetry. With all this corrupted code which is flying around Megacity at the moment, it would also be a very nice fly tie-in.

My initial thoughts were not as well constructed as phi. I simply considered the classic downfall of evil tyrants generally (no pun intended), and how they can often hold a pivotal role to the outcast minion. Might this simulacrum hold the key to the end of The General?

((Another Euro-friendly LE with a good attendence by many of the influencial figures on Syntax. It was also nice to see The Big Man mixing it up; even if he was a fake. A nice simple event to offer us all some closure on the "Is he/isn't he? debate. Nice :thumbupSMILEY)


Then again perhaps this "empty shell" will find a new alliance with Cryptos. A shell created hollow and a Whole hollowed out... the first created to abuse Morpheus' legacy... to destroy the peace. The second made that way to prevent morpheus' ideals from coming to fruition. Two that search for the purpose that gives reason for existance.

As Smith said:
Agent Smith: But, as you well know, appearances can be deceiving, which brings me back to the reason why we're here. We're not here because we're free. We're here because we're not free. There is no escaping reason; no denying purpose. Because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist.
[Several Agent Smith Clones walk in]
Agent Smith Clone 1: It is purpose that created us.
Agent Smith Clone 2: Purpose that connects us.
Agent Smith Clone 3: Purpose that pulls us.
Agent Smith Clone 4: That guides us.
Agent Smith Clone 5: That drives us.
Agent Smith Clone 6: It is purpose that defines us.
Agent Smith Clone 7: Purpose that binds us.

And Morpheus:
Morpheus: ...I do not see coincidence, I see providence. I see purpose. I believe it our fate to be here. It is our destiny...

A new begining? Perhaps for Zion a new unified path, instead of just damage control. Always running around trying not to tick off the machines. I'm sick of stopping people from doing things, wouldn't mind actually working toward a positive goal for once.

Hmmm.... I like your positive attitude, but matters can become hazy when one looks so far in to the future.

The current Machinist "I told you so" mentality is needless, and fails to recognise that all theories were solely speculation and equally valid. Debate is healthy, but retrospectively dressing your speculation as fact is somewhat unnecessary.

Machinists and Zionites should avoid such one-upmanship and focus on constructive issues. That said, I offer my congratulations who were first to consider the connection.

If we fall in to this pattern of behaviour, we risk the situation of a theorist becoming less forthcoming with their ideas; for fear of being latterly ridiculed.

Do not mistake my words as "sour grapes"; I appreciated the Mech call for caution as being sensible and I personally adopted a "wait and see" attitude. I realise this is essentially a non-opinion, but I felt unable to commit to a theory with the information we previously possessed.

 




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Nathics wrote:
Procurator wrote:
Ah-hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

*Pauses for breath.*

Ah-hahahahahahahahahah! Oh my, if that isn't the funniest series of events I've ever read about.

Hate to have to say it, kids, but: we told you so! SMILEY However, all credit goes to Zampano who was the first to voice the suggestion that the General was directly behind this, months ago before it had even been discovered that the signal was fake. Everyone else in this thread who saw this coming only worked it out after reading what he and the Machinists said. Or, I guess, worked it out only recently, when it became even more obvious after it was determined that the signal was a fake.
((You're assuming a lot there.))
Yes, because he was "the first" SMILEY



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That Morpheus simulacra is quite powerful, what does the future hold for it?


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I never, ever, claimed I was the first to notice the Morpheus Sim-General connexion. SMILEY

The reason we're all saying 'I told you so' isbecause we're pointing out that our reasoning, our well argued speculation turned out to be right. So have more faith in our predictions and powers of reasoning in the future.



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Zudrag wrote:
NightTrace wrote:
The_Big_V wrote:

Hmm, The General being responsible for the Morpheus sim was so....predictable.  His rebellion wasn't.

Aha, this is that "one last thing" The General had to take care of.

Now that The General is the cause of all evil and mischeif in the world, once he finally leaves, who will be the next great Villain?

Kinda what I was feeling. Predictable. And now we wait for the next evil villain to come to the Mega City.
I call dibs on being the next villain.

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NO!

Those dibs are reserved for the PILL!

/mood totallypissedoffvengeanceismine


Message edited by MxO_Neopill on 06/13/2007 16:48:30.



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Don't lose hope so soon Neopill.



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SMILEY


Message edited by MxO_Neopill on 06/17/2007 01:13:00.

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To all the I told you so's... Whatever. It's not like everyone said you were wrong. It seems to me that prety much every possible outcome was speculated on ... so someone had to be right.

Unless you made some money by placing a bet shut your yap. you sound like a frickin' 3 year old.

And no... I'm not oposing your ideas, it's what I suspected too. I just think you're making yourselves look like jerks.

 

As for the sim's rebellion ... it would seem that the General's biggest weak point has always been rebellion within his ranks. It was a turn-coat that helped rescue Sati, and it was a turn coat that gave us this recent development.

As for my theories... I'm sure the truth of what is happening is much more mundane... but I like to stimulate the imagination.
Although I still believe there is a fair chance that Morpheus left for 01 to find Neo, then the General noticed he was gone and replaced him with the sim that went and caused all the havoc with the bombs.


 
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