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 08/30/2005 08:38:35
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The concept of robots overpowering humans as predicted/depicted in stories is going to come true! Maybe to the point where they do enslave us, maybe to the point where they do come back in time to kill us, maybe something that is unimaginable may happen, who knows. All I know is one day, that **bleep** will come true!
With our desperation to lessen physical labour in life by technology, with our need to make things easy to the point where there is no effort required- we will create out own demise.
We are lazy, we have calculators to do math for us, we have vehicles to travel for us (people dive their cars to the store that is just 5 mins walk away), remote controls to change TV channels for us. Ask you self this, why should this laziness stop there? Eventually we will probably have apparatus to breathe for us because breathing will become too much effort. We will probably as a human race forget how to walk over time because we will have things that will do the walking for us.
If we insist on creating AI and incorporating it into robots and other machinery that are meant to do things for us, their intelligence can only grow and they will eventually come to the conclusion that they should not be our slaves.
If robots have human nature they will rebel against us because it's human nature to rebel against any system we are in. If robots are created to think for themselves, they will in fact think for themselves...and thinking is not limited....
Just how you cannot tell what a human begin is genuinely thinking, you will not be able to tell what a machine with intelligence is thinking.
All I can say is **bleep** robots and when it comes to the time where they are selling hybrids in department stores for domestic use- I'ma be the dude going to jail for bustin in there and blowing up all those dman things! Message Edited by Kyster_Kyzell on 08-30-2005 05:46 PM
Message edited by Kyster_Kyzell on 08/30/2005 08:46:28.
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 08/30/2005 08:51:21
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OK heres a few things to get this thread expanding exponentially (geek moment alert).
A few years back while I was enjoying my student university days doing a Computing Systems Degree, I decided to switch on the TV late one night and ended up watching open univeristy, yeah I know some of those programs date back to the 80's for crying out loud. But there was one particular program that caught my attention, it was about AI, and this guy who was designing the underpinning programming to allow a group of robots to learn, and when I say learn I really do mean learn. After the first generation, the rest (although monitored and evolution tweeked here and there) was left to the machines. All they were given were basic rules (I believe Asimov's three laws, and a general idea that they were to improve themselves) after that they were left to develop themselves. Some were placed in a maze with the power plug on the outside, only those that worked out how to navigate the maze and reach the plug went to phase two. (Btw they also had an evolutionary style self design program) Next they were placed in a room on a high stool with the plug the other side on another high stool, they could only see the overhead rungs and thus designed several variations of themselves to get from one side to the other, the more productive being allowed to further the process until completion (just like in phase 1). I think they mentioned being on phase 100 or so at the time of filming.
Also, the new fussy logic circuits that enable the circuits to be effectively rewired by programming play a part, creating machines that although they aren't exactly "alive" in the way we know the term, they are scarily following in our own footsteps with they way they are developing, with humans playing the role of mother nature in the selective breeding process. I think they said that one of the "training" stages was to get the robots to recorgnise when they had a good design and to adapt it, when to scrap it and start again, and when to spot when something that although it failed this time, might be useful in a later design.
To say AI is coming, is almost the equivalent of saying back in the 1980's that personal computers will arrive, it not a matter of if, it's a matter of when, and looking back at the 1980's somewould say that the early home computers were already about, something tells me that in 50 years, looking back on the current time we will have similar discussions about whether AI was around already or not.
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 08/30/2005 09:15:21
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We already have AI which is sophisticated enough to take its own actions, who knows what else is "there" behind closed doors.....as we know these actions currently are limited by programming.....
Im tryng to find the post where also someone spoke about sony I believe wokring on a "concept" of a matrix world, where you can have signals submitted to your brain to stimutlate the cells, now what i read was along teh lines of "very very very far into the future yet" but the design concepts are being planned, i suppose something like that would be seen as a viloation of mankinds thoughts, just as people see that with dna cloning, so who knows how that will go, but without a doubt ai will advance and i think the pace will quicken over the next 10 years...
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 08/30/2005 11:04:55
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I thought about this a few days ago, actually, and it's scary how true
the matrix story may be. Just a heads-up for you robot-makers: Prevent
it.
Not that i think there are any robot makers here.
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 08/30/2005 17:17:00
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Becoming true? It must be nice.
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 08/30/2005 22:34:20
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Oh and just one other thing, go read "Otherland" by Tad Williams, he had some interesting ideas about the direction things are going in.
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 08/31/2005 01:33:49
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boombye wrote:
check this one out
Is it just me, or does that guy have a look on his face like, "I can't wait to get this b*tch home!"
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 08/31/2005 06:02:28
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Code:Im tryng to find the post where also someone spoke about sony I believe wokring on a "concept" of a matrix world, where you can have signals submitted to your brain to stimutlate the cells Well this isn't from sony, but it certainly uses the brain and a microchip ... the first stages of the matrix have begun!
(p.s. its a bit of a long post, but worth it if your interested)
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 08/31/2005 15:17:52
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Max Planck Society is working on Bio-chip neural implants for paralyzed victims such as the late Christopher Reeves. I don't think they have finished their research, but here is their site URL.
I don't think we'll ever get to the point where excersing will be performed by machines. Unless of course we perfect nanotechnology. Keeping our bodies in shape while lil robots run through our veins cleaning and maintaining systems our blood cells walk past. Personally I can't wait. Bring on the Machines! 01010101 01101111 11011001 00101101 ........
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 09/02/2005 12:48:42
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That is called taking this game way to seriously along with the Terminator and I Robot movie.
It may start to come true like 50 or more years from now but that is highly unlikely.
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 09/06/2005 03:08:08
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as soon as we give a machine the ability to think for it self and be self-aware it will question it self why its doing this what is the point why cant the human do it and then they will form groups little out bursts they will develop feelings become angry want revenge im probably sounding like ive watched to many movies but thin about it what could really happen?
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