Strength of Hackers in interlock

**Renesis13B**

20 secs can be up to 5 interlock rounds. If upgrade attacks is active im losing the first couple rounds of interlock guaranteed. How a hacker chooses to use those rounds differentiates between a good hacker and a poor one. Smart ones will start attacking with debuffs and weaken their opponent and then start with the viral damage attacks. Since specials can roll back to back for hackers they can several debuffs going. I can counter the debuffs by popping pills, having good determination to lessen the debuff time or loading sweep. So now I have 90 secs to kill this hacker before they can activate upgrade attacks again thats if I can hit him. Sounds like a lot to do to kill someone that shouldnt be in interlock in the first place.

Message Edited by Renesis13B on 04-14-2006 04:12 PM
Message edited by Renesis13B on 04/14/2006 12:12:51.

HCFrog

One thing I'm curious about: Have MAs been going into interlock with
hackers and not doing any specials? If the hacker does a special and
you do a normal attack, then your Viral Defense is back in play rather
than your Initiative. Either that, or max out your initiative bonus and
make good use of Desperation if your health gets low.

btw this post is not intended to be taking sides, I'm just curious if
those strategies have been in use or not, and if so, how they've worked.

**sonofthree**

Show me a video of a hacker making it through those 90 seconds against a duelist or a MA. and most of the really good debuffs don't work in interlock anyway. I'm just speaking from experience but if I don't prep someone before interlock I have one chance....stun and pray to god that I roll out and even then duelist can usually outroll a hacker stunned.

This arguement also assumes that the fight takes place in a vaccum and not the chaos of pvp. It is rather rare that I as a hacker try to go head to head with anyone, I find that I am much more successfull playing back up and avoiding the fight as much as possible as my real strength are debuffs and DOT interupts not big damage hits, but its there in case of emergencies because we lost alot of our spike damage in the new combat system.

Message Edited by ibewarped on 04-14-2006 01:27 PM
Message edited by sonofthree on 04/14/2006 12:27:02.

**Renesis13B**

Its possible to use normal attacks like speed, power or grab but they do a lot less damage than the viral attacks a hacker can use back to back not to mention any debuffs they might land. Its one thing to duel someone and do it and then try to do it in the middle of a pvp battle. You have to kill quick..you cant really peck away at someones health because someone else will be coming soon.

HCFrog wrote:
One thing I'm curious about: Have MAs been going into interlock with
hackers and not doing any specials? If the hacker does a special and
you do a normal attack, then your Viral Defense is back in play rather
than your Initiative. Either that, or max out your initiative bonus and
make good use of Desperation if your health gets low.

btw this post is not intended to be taking sides, I'm just curious if
those strategies have been in use or not, and if so, how they've worked.

**Renesis13B**

Ill also add a hacker can get their viral accuracy up to 240 for 20 secs with upgrade attacks. Theres no way you can get enough viral deflection to overcome that in interlock or out. At least when your outside of interlock you can free fire and if you get into trouble you can back off and wait for upgrade attacks to wear off.

Message Edited by Renesis13B on 04-14-2006 06:00 PM
Message edited by Renesis13B on 04/14/2006 14:00:42.

Tstrike

DEV FROG IS GOD (MxO) that is...

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

Use your skillz and study the game.... My point in another thread...

**Rexxhavukk**

LOL

Can someone show me where it says Hackers have to be weak in interlock. CR2 is about balance and strategy..... not about making MA's dominant in PVP, interlock, range or anywhere for that matter.

Message Edited by Rexxhavukk on 04-14-2006 06:49 PM
Message edited by Rexxhavukk on 04/14/2006 17:49:30.

cryshal

frog, it would appear that ALL hacker attacks are specials. this poses 2 serious problems.. powerless becomes stun. not very fair. and you took away our logic cannons too? fine, take away those unstoppable efk's which are impossible to outroll, even from an npc. various ma specials can be used back to back also. you must be careful to think long and hard about the motivation of all these kids calling for yet more nerfs on hacker, which has been nerfed too much and they know it. its the reason theyre REALLY getting worked up now cuz hacker was blitzed a bit too much but the smart hackers are STILL beating them? hahaha!#$

if i had a lvl50 shirt for every time an MA beat me in interlock, id be a macy's sale. comparing the performance of one class to another just demonstrates the ignorance of the proposal. hacker is not ma is not gunner is not spy. jesus. hacker has lots of things going against it in interlock and only 2 decent attacks to be used in IL, and now they complain about upgrade attacks too?

the answer is no, hardly anyone uses anything but specials since a special is so much better than a tactic move. every time i fight an MA, even many npcs, its nothing but efk/wdd all day every day. strangely, some hacker npcs like to use grab attacks, kinda cool.

concerning what i said about motivation, i dont protest the unreasonable blitz on hacker cuz i suck and any further nerfing would turn me into a ragdoll, its the other way around. i like to think that i do pretty good most of hte time. but if these guys think a few days of bad luck with this or that class calls for yet more editing, they need to log off and read a book. my IL hacks hit them for up to 500 if im lucky but efk and machinegun fist can hit for 700-900. my resist is good. so *CENSORED*? =D

**Renesis13B**

NoRepro or maybe it was HCFrog has already stated Hacker is not an interlock class. Thats why they get penalized when they do interlock.

Rexxhavukk wrote:

LOL

Can someone show me where it says Hackers have to be weak in interlock. CR2 is about balance and strategy..... not about making MA's dominant in PVP, interlock, range or anywhere for that matter.

Cryshal you can still use regular tactics like ma's and gunmen can. Its called using the self defense style. Its no different than any other style and the buffs are just as good. If your getting hit for 700-900 from machine gun fist combo then your resistance is horrible. Even if efk does that much damage to you its bad. Wooden Dummy drill which has twice the dps of efk and requires a state does less than 1k damage to me. No wonder why you getting killed by ma's.

**Hanzyl and Gretyl**

Sure i could use the Self Defence style as a hacker Renesis but its one thing to duel someone and do it and then try to do it in the middle of a pvp battle. You have to kill quick..you cant really peck away at someones health because someone else will be coming soon.... Sound familiar? Not to mention i wouldn't peck away at anything... i would just die.

All i see since the patch is you leading a crusade against hacker. Other trees can link specials back to back. It's not just hacker but you fail to mention them and even say it as if hacker is the only one. Is this missinformation on purpose?? Three Quarters of the time my hacker ends up in interlock i loose, If i don't loose the target was debuffed before interlock started.

I'm curious what special interest group is paying you to wage this war against hacker?

**kaosdevil**

LOOK.... im fed up off people moaning and groaning and moaning and wining and basicly crying about hackers.... I MEAN HAVENT WE BEEN DEGRADGED ENOUGH.... reallly if u cant take a hacker in cr 2.0 im sorry but ur a crap ma... first people moan about hackers being alll mighty and powerful and even when they nerf the hole tree... you still moan i get your point yeah we're pretty strong in intellock... but what are all these level 50 clothes that u been given, where your melee accuracy at, wheres your viral resistances at i mean i think its your own god damm falut if you cant beat a hacker so stop **bleep**ing complaining.

**timeframe01**

I dont really think hackers are overpowered. Maybe just a tad in interlock (but not very much). Im a gunslinger with a fairly good set up of attributes for one, and i can say that every now and then a hacker has killed me in interlock with ease. Sometimes they'll hit every one of their hacker attacks on me while it may take me 4 or 5 tries just get off one of my specials.

But that's really only on occassion.

Message Edited by timeframe01 on 04-15-2006 09:37 AM
Message edited by timeframe01 on 04/15/2006 08:37:14.

**Renesis13B**

What tree can queue back to back specials without switching styles?

Hanzyl and Gretyl wrote:

Sure i could use the Self Defence style as a hacker Renesis but its one thing to duel someone and do it and then try to do it in the middle of a pvp battle. You have to kill quick..you cant really peck away at someones health because someone else will be coming soon.... Sound familiar? Not to mention i wouldn't peck away at anything... i would just die.

All i see since the patch is you leading a crusade against hacker. Other trees can link specials back to back. It's not just hacker but you fail to mention them and even say it as if hacker is the only one. Is this missinformation on purpose?? Three Quarters of the time my hacker ends up in interlock i loose, If i don't loose the target was debuffed before interlock started.

I'm curious what special interest group is paying you to wage this war against hacker?

cryshal

renesis, the main answer to that question is, who cares? hackers have moves excluded from interlock. has your MA loadout been similarly nerfed? nope. your idea is moot at best since ALL hacker moves are specials. so in what way can a hacker NOT be using consecutive specials in interlock? life goes on. your personal vendetta with hacker is very strange.

as for my resist, ill say again, its good. the reason why an ma can still hit someone upside the head for 700 dmg is the same reason howitzer can cover a 30meter radius. attributes can result in some serious specialization and thats fine. if someone puts most or all of their eggs in one basket then they certainly better get some juice.

another thing to consider is that the devs have also clearly said that all classes should be able to solo missions. so this basically means all classes should be able to survive in interlock, since most npcs start jumping on you immediately. so it seems to me the more powerful class here is MA. time to swing the nerf bat perhaps?

or am i being unreasonable? =D

**Hanzyl and Gretyl**

Duelist and i imagine most other trees too but i have no exp on them.