GamiSB wrote:

1. Michael already dismissed the Matrix as being the weak spot.
2. We have never wanted to kill blues for any reason what so ever.
3. We are well aware of the fact that killing the Machines would kill blues.
4. He means what he says, that if a life has to be taken to shut down the Machine, we won't do it.
5. He saved us he saved them he saved the Matrix. <-- Core piece of EPN doctrine.

Ok, so you know that shutting the Machines down will more than likely result in millions of bluepill deaths...
yet you don't want to take any life to shut down the Machines... What are you trying to accomplish?

Bleh silly double post.

GamiSB wrote:

4. He means what he says, that if a life has to be taken to shut down the Machine, we won't do it.

His exact words were "Sputnik, that's a good point, but I'm not going to advocate any plan that results in millions of deaths -- not if there's any other way."

That's hardly an absolute statement.  He's flat out saying, the only way he'd do it is if there is no other way.  So if there is no alternative, he'll kill millions of bluepills.  Your attempt to spin this is laughable.

E Pluribus Neo has identified that at least without Zion they are nothing. I hope you consider your plans with Zion Kid, I wouldn't want you 'band of hero's' to get lost out there.

TH

GamiSB wrote:

Were EPN, not Zion.

Funny. From how Michael opened his report it seems he considers you all one and the same now. It's even almost like what he was aiming for all along by his statement and demeanor.

 

Hmmm......

 

 

Lucen wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

4. He means what he says, that if a life has to be taken to shut down the Machine, we won't do it.

His exact words were "Sputnik, that's a good point, but I'm not going to advocate any plan that results in millions of deaths -- not if there's any other way."

That's hardly an absolute statement.  He's flat out saying, the only way he'd do it is if there is no other way.  So if there is no alternative, he'll kill millions of bluepills.  Your attempt to spin this is laughable.

I'm sorry but who would be better to interpret Michaels words a Macxhinest or an EPN? As I said go ahead and think of it however you want but I've already told you the truth behind it. I know where I stand and I know what my leaders words mean.

*gives Gami some dap*

Sphairo87 wrote:

Pyraci wrote:

Lucen wrote:

So, what we have here is EPN not only desiring the genocide of the machine race, but also being more than willing to let the billions (not millions) of bluepills still jacked die, should they not find a way to shut down the system without either waking them up or finding another way to sustain them.

You want to kill billions of sentient machines, and are willing to kill billions of human lives for a handful of militant fanatics?  And people wonder why the machines don't trust us?

I'll feel badly about putting down Zionites who value machine life but don't really know who else to fight along side... but I won't feel even a twinge of regret about stomping people like this.

Pointing a bunch of fingers and crying about it isn't going to stop a war. Plain and simple.

- Ezechiel

Machinists want things to be worked out and dealt with differantly, instead of pointing the gun. You zions act like your the innocent, yet here you are advocating war with a gun in your hand, WANTING A WAR?  No wonder there's an army of sentiant programs coming to kill you all!  Enjoy your time whilst you can, terrorists.

As for you, ezec.. it may be sooner than you think. I've been acheing for the thrill of a kill. 

spha x

Bring it, red. I'm not afraid of you or anyone else here, and you know this.

Zion moved itself out of the path of that sentinel army to safety in the name of defending itself. Zion didn't declare war against the Machine, the Architect did. You saw it just as I did. Oh yeah, and we'll see just how formidable that brooding army of sentinels is when it hits the EMP fields if the Machine gets the cojones to take it there.

- Ezechiel

Lucen wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

4. He means what he says, that if a life has to be taken to shut down the Machine, we won't do it.

His exact words were "Sputnik, that's a good point, but I'm not going to advocate any plan that results in millions of deaths -- not if there's any other way."

That's hardly an absolute statement.  He's flat out saying, the only way he'd do it is if there is no other way.  So if there is no alternative, he'll kill millions of bluepills.  Your attempt to spin this is laughable.

I'm sorry but who would be better to interpret Michaels words a Macxhinest or an EPN? As I said go ahead and think of it however you want but I've already told you the truth behind it. I know where I stand and I know what my leaders words mean.

Pyraci wrote:

*gives Gami some dap*

Sphairo87 wrote:

Pyraci wrote:

Lucen wrote:

So, what we have here is EPN not only desiring the genocide of the machine race, but also being more than willing to let the billions (not millions) of bluepills still jacked die, should they not find a way to shut down the system without either waking them up or finding another way to sustain them.

You want to kill billions of sentient machines, and are willing to kill billions of human lives for a handful of militant fanatics?  And people wonder why the machines don't trust us?

I'll feel badly about putting down Zionites who value machine life but don't really know who else to fight along side... but I won't feel even a twinge of regret about stomping people like this.

Pointing a bunch of fingers and crying about it isn't going to stop a war. Plain and simple.

- Ezechiel

Machinists want things to be worked out and dealt with differantly, instead of pointing the gun. You zions act like your the innocent, yet here you are advocating war with a gun in your hand, WANTING A WAR?  No wonder there's an army of sentiant programs coming to kill you all!  Enjoy your time whilst you can, terrorists.

As for you, ezec.. it may be sooner than you think. I've been acheing for the thrill of a kill. 

spha x

Bring it, red. I'm not afraid of you or anyone else here, and you know this.

Zion moved itself out of the path of that sentinel army to safety in the name of defending itself. Zion didn't declare war against the Machine, the Architect did. You saw it just as I did. Oh yeah, and we'll see just how formidable that brooding army of sentinels is when it hits the EMP fields if the Machine gets the cojones to take it there.

- Ezechiel

Doesn't really matter now does it Gami? You will both be hiding in the same horrible cave, won't you? Your both working together, aren't you? Your both going to die together, mm?  she giggles, clearly relishing it

As for you, terrorist, that really doesn't matter either.  You think the machines won't know that? They've built there force up over hundreds and HUNDREDS of years, you've been working on this.. what, 6 months? They'll have waves of sentinels, waves and waves and waves. You wont stand a chance, and this time, you wont have the one there to save your skin.

spha x

There is no interpretation necessary here.  His words are quite clear.  He wants to wipe out the machine race and he's willing to let billions die if no other choice is available.  That shouldn't even be a consideration, but he doesn't rule it out.

Zion's officials and operatives seem to have a problem with people using literal translations of clear declarative statements.  Perhaps Zion Command should sit down with them and teach them the value of only making such statements when you are sure of what you're saying... or at the very least that you won't be overheard.

Odd, was it not you and other machinest argueing over the literal translations of the Architect saying "No more awakenings are allowed"? They have a word for that you know. But you see, humans have this amazing abbiltiy to use figertive language. Machines like to be as direct as possible but humans dress things up. It's why Machine cinima was a flop while the Hollywood became one of humanities last exports before the war.

Odd, was it not you and other machinest argueing over the literal translations of the Architect saying "No more awakenings are allowed"? They have a word for that you know. But you see, humans have this amazing abbiltiy to use figertive language. Machines like to be as direct as possible but humans dress things up. It's why Machine cinima was a flop while the Hollywood became one of humanities last exports before the war.