((Eh? Ghosts glasses don't have code ...



er... here they do?))

GoDGiVeR wrote:

((Eh? Ghosts glasses don't have code ...



er... here they do?))

((That's not Ghost, looks like one of Havocide's faction members sporing their uniform.))

Lock is missing?  Nice! 

So the machine came back and finished the job, huh? Even more proof of how easy it would have been to annihilate all of us if we'd stayed put.

Ez, I don't think it's really a question of that.  Of course it'd be easy for the machines to destroy Zion.  They've got plenty of experience doing so ( ). 

This is also proof that if they wanted to, they easily could have done so during the Truce.  But they didn't.  Why is that?

Pyraci wrote:

So the machine came back and finished the job, huh? Even more proof of how easy it would have been to annihilate all of us if we'd stayed put.

Ez, I don't think it's really a question of that.  Of course it'd be easy for the machines to destroy Zion.  They've got plenty of experience doing so ( " /> ). 

This is also proof that if they wanted to, they easily could have done so during the Truce.  But they didn't.  Why is that?

Garu wrote:

Pyraci wrote:

So the machine came back and finished the job, huh? Even more proof of how easy it would have been to annihilate all of us if we'd stayed put.

Ez, I don't think it's really a question of that.  Of course it'd be easy for the machines to destroy Zion.  They've got plenty of experience doing so ( ). 

This is also proof that if they wanted to, they easily could have done so during the Truce.  But they didn't.  Why is that?

Because they had Cypherites doing it for them anyway. With the truce out of the way, they can hold no guilty conscience for doing the things they hired Cypherites to do for them.

Not so.  The Cypherites were only used as a means of espionage.  The Machines are more than capable of destroying Zion themselves.  Afterall, why send a human to do a machine's job?

Mave wrote:

Garu wrote:

Pyraci wrote:

So the machine came back and finished the job, huh? Even more proof of how easy it would have been to annihilate all of us if we'd stayed put.

Ez, I don't think it's really a question of that.  Of course it'd be easy for the machines to destroy Zion.  They've got plenty of experience doing so ( ). 

This is also proof that if they wanted to, they easily could have done so during the Truce.  But they didn't.  Why is that?

Because they had Cypherites doing it for them anyway. With the truce out of the way, they can hold no guilty conscience for doing the things they hired Cypherites to do for them.

Not so.  The Cypherites were only used as a means of espionage.  The Machines are more than capable of destroying Zion themselves.  Afterall, why send a human to do a machine's job?

 

Yes, why?

Could it be because humans are the most expendable resource, mass-produced and infinitely replenishable?

Oh, and if your 'logical' response about the ease with which the Machine destroyed Zion was meant to placate anyone, it couldn't have failed more miserably.

EDIT: ((to say that if this is how Zion goes out; with a whimper and one little mention in an LE thread, then that is kind of lame. . .))

Yes, why?

Could it be because humans are the most expendable resource, mass-produced and infinitely replenishable?

Oh, and if your 'logical' response about the ease with which the Machine destroyed Zion was meant to placate anyone, it couldn't have failed more miserably.

True, humans are quite renewable. 

My point remains:  If the Machines wanted to destroy Zion (during the Truce) why not simply do it and be done with it?  Cypherites, even on their best day, are hardly capable of wrecking havoc upon an entire population that vastly outnumbers them, let alone destroying it.

Lastly, my comment in regards to the ease in which the Machines can destroy Zion wasn't meant to placate. 

So the machine came back and finished the job, huh? Even more proof of how easy it would have been to annihilate all of us if we'd stayed put.

We told Zion this would happen if they broke the truce.  It's not like they didn't know New Zion would be seen as a threat -- and if you claim they didn't, then why built it in secret?  Face it, Zion knew this would cause the truce to collapse and they knew what would happen to their 'old' city when it did.

They knew this was coming.  They knew because they caused it to happen.

Zion created a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Zion said the Machines would destroy them, and they did...but only because they built the new city.  If they hadn't built it, Zion would not have been attacked, the truce would still be in effect, and the Machines and Zion would still be moving towards a more permanent peace. 

But no, it couldn't be that way, because Zion had to secretly build a heavily armed, impenetrable base that could launch attacks against both the Matrix and the Machines without fear of reprisal.  Good going, Zion.  You threw away the truce, and with it, any trust the Machines had in you.  So now you have what you wanted (if you didn't want it, you wouldn't have deliberately done something you knew would destroy the truce).  You have your old war back.  You've got your war, and you've got your martyrs.  And I'm sure that right now you're raging against what you've called the injustice over the unprovoked attack on your city, without being able to admit that you are the cause of your own city's destruction.  But that's the great thing about self-fulfilling prophecies -- you make the prophecy come true.  You predicted the Machines would attack you again someday, so you do something you say was simply for defense, but that you know the Machines will see as a threat...and there, like magic, you get the very attack you predicted. 

So now Zion's leadership is making impassioned speeches and calls to arms, rallying their troops and trying to convince their citizens that the truce wasn't going to last and that another attack was coming all along.  But they were wrong.  It was only because of the construction of New Zion -- the very thing they're claiming was necessary to prevent their annihilation -- that the truce failed and the Machines attacked again. 

Perhaps some of that Zionite anger I've seen towards the Machines and their human operatives would be better directed at their own leadership.  Because after all, they knew this would happen.

Illyria