To the Future....

**-Mercidos-**

Only one way to the Future

For those of us who have been awakened there is one thing we can all
agree on, and that is the need to move forward. Though we all fight
for different causes, our end desire to have a future is the same.
Some of us fight for the future of mankind, some for the power and
information, some for those that are unable to fight for themselves,
but all of us for the future.

    I am here today to present
the only way to the future. Zionites fight to maintain peace, or so
they say, while waiting for the moment to completely free themselves
from the matrix. They claim that they want what's best for humanity,
however they are too short sighted to see what they are truly doing.
In order for the matrix to exist it requires a power source (human
beings), meanwhile zion frees all they possibly can from the matrix.
With fewer bodies powering it, the system becomes unstable. To
compound this problem these freed people return to frolic in the matrix
using thier new found "powers" and by doing this they are putting an
even larger strain on the system. Using resources while contributing
nothing back will only result in the end of the matrix. This is where
the Zionites rejoice, but this is flawed. The end of the matrix will
eventually mean the end of the machines and again the zionites rejoice,
but this too is flawed. With the machines eradicated who will secretly
maintain Zion? You think that it is the humans that built and provided
power for Zion, hahaha. The machines who saved us from our own devious
plot in the past built the matrix to save us from the cruel reality of
a world we had destroyed and for those of us who couldn't accept the
program they built Zion. When the machines are gone then Zion too will
begin to crumble. With the resources dwindling and no way to provide
systems neccessary to support life the humans too will die. And with
this, the desire to be free, those following the path of Zion will end
up freeing everyone and everything of thier lives.

    Those
that serve the Merovingian do so for a myriad of reasons. Some choose
to fight at his side in the hope of gaining power and influence, while
some fight to preserve the artificial lives of the exiled programs.
For those that fight for power and influence I ask what good is power
and influence in a system that you are helping to destroy by depriving
it of the power it needs to run? If the system no longer exists then
all the power and influence you held inside amount to nothing in the
desolate plane of existance we call the "real world". The world as our
ancestors left it fails to sustain plant life, how will it sustain
yours? Now for those that fight to preserve the lives of exiles I ask
how can you fight for a lost cause? These exiles are as big a drain on
the system as redpills. They require resources from the system and
provide nothing in return, meanwhile you are in the matrix defending
them and sucking more resources from the system that provides them with
thier survival. I fail to see wisdom and purpose in such a situation.
To save artificial lives that drain a system keeping millions of humans
alive in a world we destroyed, you return to the system and drain more
of it's resources putting millions of lives (organic and inorganic) at
risk.

    Those who serve the machines may be doing a "noble"
thing by trying to keep the peace between humans and machines, but
remember you are only serving a purpose that is caused by the existance
of those who seek to weaken and destroy this system. You are still a
drain on the thing you are protecting, and as such as just as bad as
the zionites you hope to keep in line.

    Now that you have
been presented with the flaws of redpill existance perhaps I can share
with you my path. Some label us murderers, some despise us as the most
virulant evil things to grace the matrix. I say you are right. As
humans we are murderers, evil, and virulant. We exist only to make our
own lives better at the expense of all else, and that is exactly how we
ended up in the matrix to begin with. When we had destroyed our world
to destroy the machines they overcame us, and instead of letting us die
they gave us a safe haven. They shielded us from what we had done, and
yet some of us refuse this gift and treat our saviors as our slavers.
Do not confuse the gift we have been given, as a punishment but as the
only means to survive. There is no hope of reclaiming the surface, if
the machines could have cleared the sky then they would have during the
last 600 or so years. But it is either not possible, or just not
possible yet. Like many I would love to live on the surface, with the
sun on my face and the beautiful sight of grass and trees around me.
However, it is just not something that is possible at the current time
and by destroying the only ones that can help us get there, humanity
will never experience this joy again. I say return to your sleep, give
to the future generations of life that will come. Perhaps one day the
surface can be reclaimed, but destroying the ones that keep us alive
will not get us to that day.

    So please, stop draining the
system. You've all been working so hard for things that mean nothing
that you could use a rest. So take that blue pill and get some
relaxation, and maybe one day 600 years from now the lives you've saved
will be walking on the surface under a blue sky.

**Degu**

That is a great post Desc1ple. Very well done though perhaps it could have been split up iunto a few more paragraphs :smileywink:

**darkhaze**

you misrepresent merovingian operatives with these words. something that most of us will not appreciate. i am not here for power, nor do i care to protect exile programs. i am here because i have been forced into a war that i want no part of.

zion fights for freedom from a system that the stupidity of humanity forced into effect in the first place.

machines fight to maintain a system that does not function properly because they are fighting to maintain it.

merovingian fight to live in the only world we have to live in. that is it.

if it wernt for the machines and zions constant fighting over domination of the matrix i am sure the frenchman would spent most of his time eating cake in bathrooms with beautiful women. it is a neccesity that we control the matrix becuase it is our home and we wont see it destroyed while we stand by and watch.

there is no peace and there is no truce. the battle has merly been takin from world war III to vietnam.

**-Mercidos-**

    But Haze do you not see that the constant fighting is what will destroy this world? I didn't mean to imply the reasons I stated are the only one's for people that serve the Merovingian just common ones. You claim to fight to protect this world, but how can you? If you defeat zionites, they will simply wake more up to get thier vengeance and by doing so weaken the system you are trying to protect.

    The hardest choice to make is giving up the power we now have for the future that might be. I am willing to sacrifice my own god like existance for the lives that have yet to be born can anyone else do the same? Yes there are others that are willing to make the same sacrifice and we all proudly wear Reviled Restoration - CYPH while inside the matrix. So brothers I ask that when you see us, ask yourself what is more important. The fight you can't win, or the future we may all shape. Fear not the world the machines have given us for it will be our salvation. Our dreams of living in a sunlit world with blue skies will never come to be for us, but we can live vicariously through the generation that will eventually achieve this.

    Walk the path of humanity's salvation Brothers and Sisters. I do not ask that you all support the good fight out in the open, but know that you have been called to do the right thing. The future is waiting for us all, let's get there together.

**darkhaze**

your cause sounds noble indeed. but sad to say it is also unrealistic. we are in a transistion of evolution. and evolution cannot be stopped, nor can it be delayed. it is either accepted by those who wish to survive or denied by those who desire extiction. peace is a dream written about by poets. but it is still only a dream. there will never be true peace.

through out human history every era of stability and success of mankind was brought on by the thunder of war. never has peace created peace. just as never will war create war. war creates peace and peace brings about war. this is the nature of life and there is no loophole or way around it. if you want peace you must fight for it.

words can only accomplish so much...then the sword must be unsheathed and action taken.

**-Mercidos-**

Indeed you are correct that war brings peace, and peace brings war. However, you fail to realize that the war has just ended. Someone brokered a truce, that all who are acting as false gods inside the system are abusing. The truce was to give us peace, yet no one has taken even a moment to enjoy the peace. There is but one way to reach the future, and that is to live. And there is but one way to ensure that the human race lives, and that is to sleep.

**ZipperQueen**

Desc1ple wrote:
Indeed you are correct that war brings peace, and peace brings war. However, you fail to realize that the war has just ended. Someone brokered a truce, that all who are acting as false gods inside the system are abusing. The truce was to give us peace, yet no one has taken even a moment to enjoy the peace. There is but one way to reach the future, and that is to live. And there is but one way to ensure that the human race lives, and that is to sleep.

Wrong.

There is always more than one path towards your destination. The trouble comes when you choose which path to take... or as the Merovingian put it to me, "which path comes into view first."

Take a look at the paths we have to choose from.

Zion wants freedom for all humans.

EPN wants the return of Neo and destruction of the Machines.

The Exiles just want to get their piece of the pie.

The Machines won't accept going back to where they were seven hundred years ago... persecuted by Man and hunted for just being a what they are. (Didn't we get over that crap back in the early 21st Century?)

The Cypherites would prefer to jack everyone back in and forget about the whole thing.

You obviously threw your hat in with Cryptos or those damned Sleepwalkers.

None of these paths are exactly conducive to peace, my deluded friend.

One more thing... the day you re-insert me into my pod is the day you drag my cold, dead corpse thousands of feet up the side of a power plant. And believe me when I say the Machines will be more than happy to slap you into a pod right next door to mine. They could always use an extra battery.

Message Edited by ZipperQueen on 04-18-2006 07:37 AM
Message edited by ZipperQueen on 04/18/2006 04:37:59.

**darkhaze**

well i was tryin to take a more civil approach at handling this..but yeah...what she said:smileytongue:

**-Mercidos-**

ZipperQueen wrote:

Take a look at the paths we have to choose from.

Zion wants freedom for all humans. Results in the end of machine civilization, if they would allow this to happen at all. The machines would not, and would instead destroy zion. This path does not end with peace or the survival of the human species.

EPN wants the return of Neo and destruction of the Machines. Again the Machines would not let this happen and would destroy Zion, and with it the members of EPN. If somehow they did destroy the machines humans would slowly die off as they have no way to take care of themselves and the world our ancestors left us will not sustain life. No peace, and the end of the human species are the result of this path.

The Exiles just want to get their piece of the pie. Allowing exiles and redpills to exist in the matrix concurrently will result in massive system failure at some point. The exiles sap the system of resources it requires to function, redpills do this as well. The only people that are contributing to the system resources are those who are in thier pods. If system instability gets to a point where there is a crash, then humans plugged in as well as machines will die. Slowly the humans outside of system will die off due to lack of natural resources to live on. Again no peace, and the end of human, machine and exile life are the result of this path.

The Machines won't accept going back to where they were seven hundred years ago... persecuted by Man and hunted for just being a what they are. (Didn't we get over that crap back in the early 21st Century?) You are absolutely right, all the machines truly want is a peaceful relationship with the humans. They still view us as thier creators and hold a special place in thier programming for us. Why did they create the matrix? For a power source? Couldn't they have used other life forms? So why humans, and why give us a virtual world that was the peak of our own civilization? Doesn't sound like the malevolent beings Zion portrays them to be does it? So no they don't want to go back to enslavement, they want to be seen as our equals, all they ever wanted was to exist on equal footing and our ancestors denied them that and tried to eradicate them. As you may have noticed this isn't a path at all, so I don't know why it made your list but it's a valid point.

The Cypherites would prefer to jack everyone back in and forget about the whole thing. I can tell from reading this that you've never asked why we would go back, but I've laid out one of the reasons for you in my original post. Yes we would like to jack everyone back in, and it would save everyone's lives. Zion cannot free everyone without eventually destroying humanity, the Merovingian operatives while noble are in the same boat that if they continue down thier path they will end up destroying all life human and machine/program alike. Those who serve the machines have the right idea, but they are a band-aid for the real issue. Sure they can help the machines police the redpill population, but the real solution is the elimination of this population in the first place. By sending everyone back to sleep, we get more power and resources in the system. This means the system remains stable, the machines don't die off, the humans don't die off, and even the exiles can be saved by this act. THIS PATH LEADS TO A TRUE END OF HOSTILITIES AND THE CONTINUED EXISTANCE OF HUMANS, MACHINES, AND EVEN EXILED PROGRAMS.

You obviously threw your hat in with Cryptos or those damned Sleepwalkers. Again this isn't really a path, but another observation you've made. Yes as a cypherite clearly I've thrown my hat in with Cryptos as he is the leader of the movement. You are quite the dectective Zipper.

None of these paths are exactly conducive to peace, my deluded friend.
Ok, but one of them does result in no more fighting and the continued existance of all life (organic and inorganic) and if that's not peace well I guess I need a dictionary or something.
One more thing... the day you re-insert me into my pod is the day you drag my cold, dead corpse thousands of feet up the side of a power plant. And believe me when I say the Machines will be more than happy to slap you into a pod right next door to mine. They could always use an extra battery.
Well I guess you really don't understand the Cypherite Cause very well. The entire idea is for us all to be reinserted. So I welcome the day that the machines will "slap you (me) into a pod right next door to mine (yours)." You see that is exactly what we Cypherites are trying to achieve, you are threatening me with my goal as if it will deter me in some way.

Message Edited by Desc1ple on 04-18-2006 03:39 PM
Message edited by -Mercidos- on 04/18/2006 14:39:16.

Kidthatbelieves69

Zipperqueen I love you.

**darkhaze**

desc1ple wrote: By sending everyone back to sleep, we get more power and resources in the system. This means the system remains stable, the machines don't die off, the humans don't die off, and even the exiles can be saved by this act. THIS PATH LEADS TO A TRUE END OF HOSTILITIES AND THE CONTINUED EXISTANCE OF HUMANS, MACHINES, AND EVEN EXILED PROGRAMS.

i guess you dont understand the basic princables of the matrix very well so i will teach you. only because i am kind. the matrix is based off of math. an equation. the equation is almost perfect but it is not completly perfect. the problem is choice. blue pills are put to sleep and given a life in a world that has a predistined future based on the history of the realworld. this is the only possible way to achieve the matrix because there is no good future to go off of.

so the equation works like this. humans are put in the matrix. they live out..what is basically a video game for a certain amount of years following the real historical events that actually happened as if they were happening again. then the machines reset the matrix back to the same starting point and start the whole process over again.

why dont they just continue to let the matrix run indefinitly you ask? because of choice. say you have mr bob johnson who is supposed to, in his life time, be the doctor who cures cancer. this is a part of history that the machines have used in the matrix to reflect the real history of the humans. but mr bob johnson for some reason dosent want to finish college. hed rather do acid and be in a rock group. well this off balances the entire system because now the history of the world is floating off in a direction that is not recorded history. the machines dont know how to react to this.

so for the first few versions of the matrix, when this would happen, the machines would let it run its course and when the matrix got so unbalanced it would crash and the machines would loose lots of crops and have to start over. this is what happened during the attempts by machines to make a perfect world for us.

thats why the oracle was created. she discovered that humans need choice. some need it only subconsiously while others need it more. then it was decided that the starting point for the matrix would be towards the end of previous human civilazation. the broaden the choices the machines had for the direction of the world without such a distinctive goal. ( some say that earlier versions were around the civil war era and the early 1900's era )

now some humans are able to have more freedom with how they choose their destinys and the system is a bit more stable..but not entirley. there are still those humans..like most of us..like neo, morpheous, and trinity, that need more. that search for truth cuz it just seems that something is wrong.

this is why the machines created zion. the oracle found out that if these bluepills were just allowed to wake up and be free of the system..then they wouldnt be in it to cause it to crash anymore. this balanced the equation for the most part and allowed the matrix to continue on much much longer and reduced the losses the machines took on crops.

the only drawback was the anomoly.

so now the equation is what happened during neos life time. redpills are not the cause of the systems unstability like you suggest..we are actually a neccessity too keep the matrix working properly. the machines need zion. they need war..they need redpills. you are fooled into thinking that we could all be placed into our pods and sleep our way into peace. but this is not the case. if the machines somehow convinced us to all get back into our pods all they would do is wipe our memories clean, restart the matrix, free a few hundred bluepills to go make another zion, and start the war over again. so your peace would actually be our war.

**Xeros**

I am really impressed by your closer, ZipperQueen. :O

**-Mercidos-**

Haze, you are a fool to think I do not understand the way the system works. It is not the choice that is the problem. Yes there must be a choice on an unconcious level for the system to work, and those that reject the programming wake up, this is a fact of life. However is there truly a need for those that wake up to wander around waking up more bluepills? Bluepills that if given the actual truth of the situation would refuse the red pill that they are being offered.

The reason the Oracle wrote the choice into the programming was to stop the people that couldn't accept the program from dying. Now as more people wake up the system becomes unstable and an anomoly occurs. The reason for the unbalancing of the "perfect" equation created by the architect wasn't to prolong the length of time needed before resets, it was to ensure those within the system didn't die do to the program itself. Appearantly your understanding of how the system works is not as thorough as you might have thought. The machines are our benefactors in a world we have destroyed for us to throw away the gift of life they have given us is as stupid as our ancestors destroying the ability to live in the real world to begin with. As I know that there will be no convincing you of validity of my cause I will refrain from responding to you any longer here. You are appearantly too far gone to be saved. For this I am truly sorry, because we should be standing together at the threshold of the future.

I suppose the real dillema here is one of power. Lack of power causes instability in the system. Lack of power causes instability in an organization, or faction. So those with power feel the need to grasp it until thier dying breath. It's a shame, though, because truly powerful know that to give up thier power and face the future without fear is the one true power and it can't be taken away from you.

**darkhaze**

the oracle didnt write choice into any programming. humans choose wether machines like it or not. she only discovered it and figured out a way to allow certain ones to make choices that would eventually end with them waking up. the machines want humans to wake bluepills up..or at least the trouble makers. my point is that the machines need zion and need redpills for the system to work. its impossible for everyone to go back into their pods.

Cognoscente

I took the bluepill, but I woke back up in a month and a few days. The erasure of my mind was complete, but somehow I remembered how to evolve past a singularity and realize what was going on. My spirt perhaps?

It is impossible to hold some people asleep.