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Systemic Anomaly

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In the last month I've actually only witnessed one person on Syntax and Vector blatantly doing the dance of stack.  It's entirely possible there are more, and they choose more secluded areas in which to do so, however.  I just like to think that they're the only ones, fool I am.




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exsuscito wrote:

In the last month I've actually only witnessed one person on Syntax and Vector blatantly doing the dance of stack.  It's entirely possible there are more, and they choose more secluded areas in which to do so, however.  I just like to think that they're the only ones, fool I am.

Which org were they in? If it's Zion, then that just makes me wanna PvP with them less.



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Gerik wrote:
exsuscito wrote:

In the last month I've actually only witnessed one person on Syntax and Vector blatantly doing the dance of stack.  It's entirely possible there are more, and they choose more secluded areas in which to do so, however.  I just like to think that they're the only ones, fool I am.

Which org were they in? If it's Zion, then that just makes me wanna PvP with them less.


Nooo, I'm not playing that game.  With hindsight, I shouldn't have even said what I did.

Carry on.




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exsuscito wrote:
Gerik wrote:
exsuscito wrote:

In the last month I've actually only witnessed one person on Syntax and Vector blatantly doing the dance of stack.  It's entirely possible there are more, and they choose more secluded areas in which to do so, however.  I just like to think that they're the only ones, fool I am.

Which org were they in? If it's Zion, then that just makes me wanna PvP with them less.


Nooo, I'm not playing that game.  With hindsight, I shouldn't have even said what I did.

Carry on.

Fiiiiiine. lol



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Ok, on-topic.

(Still not playing much on Syntax, so this is Vector compared to Recursion)

There isn't much difference really. 

There's the people that won't fight unless they have more numbers. 

There's the people that will do whatever is absolutely needed (even if it's changing to heals in the middle of an interlock fight to heal themselves) so they WON'T die. 

There's the pill poppers. 

There's the automatic hyperjumpers. 

There's the people that will only sniper/knife and jump.

There's the runners. 

There's the people that stand and fight, regardless of numbers. 

There's the clothing stackers.

There's the people that will stop as soon as they die or their numbers go down.

There's the healers and buffers, regardless if they are really needed or not.

There's the smack-talkers.

There's the whiners.

There's the people that do a bit of all of that.

 (Disclaimer: I don't care what you do honestly, it's your game, you're paying for it.  Play it how you want.  Even if I say something, well, I can be vocal.  They are just my opinions.)

 

Only differences that are big enough for me to actually mention:

There are more people on Vector that won't automatically attack/gank a Red.

PvP is a bit more laid-back.

Both probably due to the nature of it being a hostile server.

 


Message edited by Delicho on 02/07/2008 23:09:46.


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I've PvP'd on each server over the last 3 years and I've made my own conclusions about the PvP on each one.

Recursion - When I first came to Recursion I was very interested to see how they played in PvP. In their credit I've seen some of the biggest fights on this server. I did find myself having to chase people often, and the use of /face was most used here. That was because there are many people using Hyperjump in PvP on Recursion. The standard of players tactics was slightly under par with Syntax in my eyes. Zion definatly know how to zerg on Recursion and it's actually very good to see such high numbers of Zion players PvPing. Some points to note from Rec: They are the home of MA. They all duel each other all day as MA builds and some of the best MA's in the game reside there. Not so many decent gunmen though. When I played on Recursion they were the kings of Trauma Surgeon builds too. They pride themselves on drama.

Vector-Hostile - Vector really was the great unknown for a long time. I considered myself a good player in PvP and these guys talked about PvP as though they are the gods of combat. I'm sure some of the older Vector guys remember The System faction coming over from Syntax. The PvP does fall into smaller scale fights unless Mara takeovers are underway when one org takes it of another org. Vector have some of the best 'chasers' in the game, these guys will hunt you until you're dead.

Syntax - My house. Come and get some if you want to see what it's like.



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PvP is exactly that no matter what server. The main difference is that Vector is perma flagged so pvp is 24/7, whereas you can choose to pvp on Recursion and Syntax SMILEY



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Message edited by Keppen on 02/20/2008 20:05:16.



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To put my 2 cents about jumping and general PvP Vector v Syntax....

I mainly play on Vector nowadays. As a level 42-49 I was a bit of a potty-mouth, but it was funny because by some miracle (and by hanging around with the right people) I seemed harder than the average 46+ to kill. I used to use MKT and now use rifleman/duelist, and one of the things I hate seeing is rifleman/mkt's jumping in, doing one move, and jumping out again, it' pointless and it doesn't achieve anything. What's-more, it seems to be common for a few Zion hackers now as well, they just jump in and set off some area debuffs, totally pointless as we all stand there and let them wear off.

Now I have HJed away from 1v1's before, but ONLY when I actually can't be bothered and I've logged on for some other reason, and that I think is fine. We may complain about it at the time but you forget about the last jumper 5 mins later. I find Vector's PvP much more fun, basically because it isn't centralised in a specific area, but mostly because there is no threat of something cowardly and pathetic like a blue LC 2.0 or snipe etc. You have to be more organised when you are generally walking around, and when you are planning a take down of an area because you can't just keep jacking into the same place, rebuffing, and getting back into the fight. If you try that, likely hood is that you'll get IL'ed as soon as you come out the HL, and then you are stuck with no combat upgrade, no hypers, probably no IS etc.

That said; the smack talk on Vector and Syntax can't be differentiated much, people will still be last word hippies on Vector and say something, then disappear so you can't reply and just jack in to a different HL. However Syntax doesn't seem much better, they jack back in and just bad-mouth, and then get embarrassed when they get shown up, or just don't pvp again.

I find Vector much more exciting because you can also HL hop if you get bored and try and run down a couple reds. The best feeling is when you get a red in 1v1 and they stop to fight without calling in the cavalry. Afterwards it's civilised, you both give a "gf" and generally be on your way.

However, I tend to find that the worst Zergers do reside within the Zion Vectorites. It seems impossible to fight one anywhere near mara by yourself and I've only done it a couple of times (and believe me I'm not a 50 to worry about lol). I called in a zerg the other day, this is true, I mis-calculated the amount of Zion's at the HL, and they were attacking our liason, but generally I tend to roll with whatever, because as people have said jumping is no fun and chasing is just effort.


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Vector's the only place where people I've never spoken to have me on ignore, just because they get so wound up during PvP that they expect trash from everywhere.  It's truly bizarre. 

It just comes down to the same old, boring adage "One Machine/Merv/Zionist gave me a bunch of expletive deleted, therefore all Machines/Mervs/Zionists are trash-talking derriereholes and should be treated as such."

Yawn.




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AlphaCoder wrote:


However, I tend to find that the worst Zergers do reside within the Zion Vectorites. It seems impossible to fight one anywhere near mara by yourself and I've only done it a couple of times (and believe me I'm not a 50 to worry about lol).


This is always a point of contention.  I have absolutely no problem with being 'zerged'.  If I've dumped myself in front of a crowd and get rooted, it's my own fault. 

However, it is frustrating when you make the effort to get one of them alone (oftentimes after being chased for quite a way, just to catch that one alone who thinks all his friends are still chasing too), just to have them stand in front of you and swiftly get on the phone to call everyone in(It's called efficiency, apparently.  It's also something else, but I digress).  Oh, and then comes the bragging.  Oh, how I enjoy the bragging and the /walkaway posturing.  It compounds the frustration when that same player will automatically hyperjump when you catch them anywhere near alone, and further still when they're rocking an IL build.

It's entirely up to them to play in that manner, and it's important to remember that it is just 'playing'.  I have seen this a great deal more on Vector than anywhere else, but it's also more important to maintain your health on that particular server.   




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Delicho hit the nail right on the head, as did Mike. My alt was William from Recursion, I also had an old 50 on Vector and it is true...you do something to tick someone off in Vector, you will be hunted until you're dead, reguardless. I've been that way on recursion for quite sometime, although I'd only put in the effort to hunt you if you've ticked me off. The only issues with pvp are the same issues reguardless of the server, and the list of noob things you see in pvp as is follows:

Hyperjumpers

Runners

Runners who run until you chase them 500m's then Hyperjump

Master Shadows Users

People who only flag when they have 5 people more than you

People who stop pvping to sit and defend Hyperjumping

The Collective(If you've pvp'd with them you already know what I'm talking about)

Fallen Horizon (Same as above)

Hardline out when Sheild is broken

People who CCR you for making fun of their 'strategy' aka Running and Jumping like cowards

You know that last one really cracks me up, I call someone a coward for running, HL'ing out, suiciding or Hyperjumping. Then, they decide to whine and cry saying 'It's strategy' or 'All players pvp different ways'. What is the point of pvp if you run? After all, when you type /pvp isn't it to fight?  Well, don't tell that to some of the noobs you see in pvp in mxo. I've saw there is a new updated being patched as I type this..personally, I'd like to see them disable Hyperjump while you're in combat, just like putting on a level 50 Master upgrade/GM. You have to stand up straight/leave combat to use it, even if they only did that while you are flagged. People who fight numbers all day long, dying by the hand of not 1, not 2, not 3, not even 5 but 10 noob's with hacks, knifes, sniper shots, Full auto redux's and ki charged foot sweeps every 2 seconds. Then we finally get 1 off by himself and it's time to get a CQ for all the times you've got ganked the past hour ...then BAM HYPERJUMP..You follow him...HYPERJUMP AGAIN, you chase him down and root him...break his sheild...interlock the...BAM ROLLOUT HYPERJUMP!! Does the noobing never end? It's not strategy...it's an excuse..it's cowaring...you don't want to reconstruct..don't flag up, hyperjumping is the cowards way out and is one of the few MAJOR problems in this game as put by my friends MikeCool and Delicho. If you disagree with what I say that is your opinion...but what I stated is not a whine nor a complaint...it's the truth as you Neo-wannabe's would put it.

 

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SyxXTSyxX wrote:

Delicho hit the nail right on the head, as did Mike. My alt was William from Recursion, I also had an old 50 on Vector and it is true...you do something to tick someone off in Vector, you will be hunted until you're dead, reguardless. I've been that way on recursion for quite sometime, although I'd only put in the effort to hunt you if you've ticked me off. The only issues with pvp are the same issues reguardless of the server, and the list of noob things you see in pvp as is follows:

Hyperjumpers

Runners

Runners who run until you chase them 500m's then Hyperjump

Master Shadows Users

People who only flag when they have 5 people more than you

People who stop pvping to sit and defend Hyperjumping

The Collective(If you've pvp'd with them you already know what I'm talking about)

Fallen Horizon (Same as above)

Hardline out when Sheild is broken

People who CCR you for making fun of their 'strategy' aka Running and Jumping like cowards

You know that last one really cracks me up, I call someone a coward for running, HL'ing out, suiciding or Hyperjumping. Then, they decide to whine and cry saying 'It's strategy' or 'All players pvp different ways'. What is the point of pvp if you run? After all, when you type /pvp isn't it to fight?  Well, don't tell that to some of the noobs you see in pvp in mxo. I've saw there is a new updated being patched as I type this..personally, I'd like to see them disable Hyperjump while you're in combat, just like putting on a level 50 Master upgrade/GM. You have to stand up straight/leave combat to use it, even if they only did that while you are flagged. People who fight numbers all day long, dying by the hand of not 1, not 2, not 3, not even 5 but 10 noob's with hacks, knifes, sniper shots, Full auto redux's and ki charged foot sweeps every 2 seconds. Then we finally get 1 off by himself and it's time to get a CQ for all the times you've got ganked the past hour ...then BAM HYPERJUMP..You follow him...HYPERJUMP AGAIN, you chase him down and root him...break his sheild...interlock the...BAM ROLLOUT HYPERJUMP!! Does the noobing never end? It's not strategy...it's an excuse..it's cowaring...you don't want to reconstruct..don't flag up, hyperjumping is the cowards way out and is one of the few MAJOR problems in this game as put by my friends MikeCool and Delicho. If you disagree with what I say that is your opinion...but what I stated is not a whine nor a complaint...it's the truth as you Neo-wannabe's would put it.

 

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SyxXTSyxX wrote:
You know that last one really cracks me up, I call someone a coward for running, HL'ing out, suiciding or Hyperjumping. Then, they decide to whine and cry saying 'It's strategy' or 'All players pvp different ways'. What is the point of pvp if you run? After all, when you type /pvp isn't it to fight?  Well, don't tell that to some of the noobs you see in pvp in mxo. I've saw there is a new updated being patched as I type this..personally, I'd like to see them disable Hyperjump while you're in combat, just like putting on a level 50 Master upgrade/GM. You have to stand up straight/leave combat to use it, even if they only did that while you are flagged. People who fight numbers all day long, dying by the hand of not 1, not 2, not 3, not even 5 but 10 noob's with hacks, knifes, sniper shots, Full auto redux's and ki charged foot sweeps every 2 seconds. Then we finally get 1 off by himself and it's time to get a CQ for all the times you've got ganked the past hour ...then BAM HYPERJUMP..You follow him...HYPERJUMP AGAIN, you chase him down and root him...break his sheild...interlock the...BAM ROLLOUT HYPERJUMP!! Does the noobing never end? It's not strategy...it's an excuse..it's cowaring...you don't want to reconstruct..don't flag up, hyperjumping is the cowards way out and is one of the few MAJOR problems in this game as put by my friends MikeCool and Delicho. If you disagree with what I say that is your opinion...but what I stated is not a whine nor a complaint...it's the truth as you Neo-wannabe's would put it.

 

William/SyxXTSyxX

Sadly that's only too true, even on Syntax. I was rolling with my Merv alt against a Zion zerg, soon it boiled down to me vs 3 Zion. I Shot one and they Jumped, 30 minutes of chase/IL/Roll out/HJ/Chase/HJ etc etc later they run back to Mara C and gank me with their 2 friends. Then they blurt out something like "See that's why I jump, so I don't get zerged". Eh? Since when was a 1 v 1 a zerg?

Yeah, I don't get people like that either.



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SyxXTSyxX wrote:

I've saw there is a new updated being patched as I type this..personally, I'd like to see them disable Hyperjump while you're in combat, just like putting on a level 50 Master upgrade/GM. You have to stand up straight/leave combat to use it, even if they only did that while you are flagged.

That's like one of the worst idea's I've ever heard...
 
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