[10.2.5] Merv mission feedback thread: "Packet Rider"

**ZaneZavin**

When that sentinel came out it wasn't taken so literally. I'm quite sure many believed not that Wadsworth was similar, but indeed an alias of The Merovingian.

**MatrixRefugee**

ZaneZavin wrote:

When that sentinel came out it wasn't taken so literally. I'm quite sure many believed not that Wadsworth was similar, but indeed an alias of The Merovingian.

I'd thought that at the time it came out... but something just didn't fit right....

**GamiSB** · 06/15/2008 20:23:56

MatrixRefugee wrote:

ZaneZavin wrote:
When that sentinel came out it wasn't taken so literally. I'm quite sure many believed not that Wadsworth was similar, but indeed an alias of The Merovingian.
I'd thought that at the time it came out... but something just didn't fit right....

Maybe its the fact that Wadsworth is/was dead at the time and was only being used and was just a ploy by the sleepwalkers which was not discovered until after everything went down. The Merv wasn't apart of it at all other then his ops helping take down the blue light guys.

That and it was his partner that sound similar to the Merv not Wadsworth. Also take into account that the Merv has his hand in underground organized crime, not in big business fronts. What there can't be two power hungry and business smart individuals in the city?

**Villemar_MxO**

I thought the Blue Sky stuff was specifically said to be non-canonical.

**cloudwolf**

Villemar_MxO wrote:

I thought the Blue Sky stuff was specifically said to be non-canonical.

Didn't you hear? The word canon isn't recognised in professional circles.

Oh wait.

heh, sorry, couldnt resist bringing that one back up ^_^

**Villemar_MxO**

cloudwolf wrote:

Villemar_MxO wrote:
I thought the Blue Sky stuff was specifically said to be non-canonical.

Didn't you hear? The word canon isn't recognised in professional circles.

Oh wait.

heh, sorry, couldnt resist bringing that one back up ^_^

I'll let you in on a little secret...heretical for fanboyism, but I've only seen the first 3 Star Wars films once, in theaters, when I was a wee tot. I have not seen the following 3 nor do I have any intention of doing so.

Although, I did dowload a copy of the Star Wars Holiday Special from 1978 or thereabouts. Is that canon? I don't know, but it was hysterical, especially with the MST3K commentary!

**Othinn1**

Villemar_MxO wrote:

I thought the Blue Sky stuff was specifically said to be non-canonical.

   Where does it say that? Because they make a reference to it in at least three critical missions.

   The first is in the first Zion critical of chapter 4.2, where Tyndall learns of a Cypherite plan of forced reinsertion of all redpills. Note that this set of criticals occurs shortly before the Blue Sky event, and if this isn't a reference to the Blue Sky event, then it's something that is never followed up upon.

   Then you have a hackable computer in the first Machine 4.2 mission ...

Computer: Logged in as user N30_LIVES
One message in mailbox
:: I don't buy it. A radical branch of Cypherites? Cryptos is just trying to take some heat off himself. You'll see.
-MKP
End of messages
>_

   Of course, if you want a much more direct reference, there's a Cypherite in the fourth Zion 4.3 mission who outright mentions the Sleepwalkers.

   Cypherite: I swear, some of those Sleepwalkers must have managed to
unplug before the feedback fried their hjacks. I’ve seen—Hey! What was
that.

   I'm not entirely sure why the Blue Sky event would not be considered canon. Was there a problem with it?

**Cadsuane**

I think it just got lumped in with the Smith Event when people were arguing about the canon-ness of anniversary/halloween stuff.

**Villemar_MxO**

Othinn1 wrote:

Villemar_MxO wrote:
I thought the Blue Sky stuff was specifically said to be non-canonical.

Where does it say that? Because they make a reference to it in at least three critical missions.

I'm not entirely sure why the Blue Sky event would not be considered canon. Was there a problem with it?

I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure I remember Rarebit inticating that this would be a one-off event with no further development. Plus, it was PC's baby entirely. (Personally I though the event was stupid, although I loved the deep blue sky and blue tint to everything).

**GamiSB**

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Othinn1 wrote:
Villemar_MxO wrote:
I thought the Blue Sky stuff was specifically said to be non-canonical.

Where does it say that? Because they make a reference to it in at least three critical missions.

I'm not entirely sure why the Blue Sky event would not be considered canon. Was there a problem with it?
I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure I remember Rarebit inticating that this would be a one-off event with no further development. Plus, it was PC's baby entirely. (Personally I though the event was stupid, although I loved the deep blue sky and blue tint to everything).

LAck of later development doesnt mean it wasn't canon just that, that would be where it started and finshed. Also that PC writteing it just puts it in under his work that he did while he had the W Bro's Ok as all of the story up to chapter 6 was all him and 7-8 was him and Rarebit.

**Cadsuane**

Othinn1 wrote:

I'm not entirely sure why the Blue Sky event would not be considered canon. Was there a problem with it?

Ah! I remember now, questions about the Sleepwalker storyline's validity were raised when Gray denied the existence of a Reinsertion process.

**cloudwolf**

Cadsuane wrote:

Othinn1 wrote:
I'm not entirely sure why the Blue Sky event would not be considered canon. Was there a problem with it?
Ah! I remember now, questions about the Sleepwalker storyline's validity were raised when Gray denied the existence of a Reinsertion process.

Thats a very good point.

**Rarebit**

Umm... Now, I may be remembering some of this wrong, but I think I may remember parts of it a little better than some of the speculation that's started in here.

I think the "canon" point about Sleepwalkers came up before the Blue Sky event, where we announced that we were doing a side story type of thing for fun for the anniversary, and that players shouldn't be expecting it to be part of the main story.

As far as Sleepwalker "reinsertion" goes, don't forget that Sleepwalkers were themselves victims of propaganda. They made claims of forcing everyone back into the pods, or some such, but it isn't as though that actually happened (although their spotlights were beginning to drain awakened abilities away--speed, regen for instance), or that they could have had any real notion of finding everyone's ships, hauling their bodies over to the Machine pods, and plugging them in.

Most of the Sleepwalkers died from feedback immediately in the Real. Some didn't die, but were basically stuck since their systems were fried, and probably died when their bodies starved to death. As for what the Architect announced just after the climax of the event, I think it was this (I pulled this quote from the server logs on hm I think Recursion, where a player had reproduced the system message--or what seems to my memory to be a reasonable fascimile thereof--in chat--the server logs I can see now don't actually have the world shout itself (or I'm not finding it right), which is too bad... And I didn't take good logs back then. I'm sure someone here has a screenshot at least.):

The Architect: Thank you, humans. The feedback effect caused by your simultaneous destruction of the Sleepwalkers' lights has wiped their system, effectively returning them to bluepill status. Pity that the irony of this will be lost on them.

"Effectively returning" did not mean actual reinsertion into the Machine pod system. Nowhere in the appearances afterwards by the org leaders, (Pace on Vector, for instance:

2006-04-03 00:08:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    Greetings, tesoros!    03-Apr-2006 00:02:49                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:08:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    I am so pleased to meet you here.    03-Apr-2006 00:02:58                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:08:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    Very well, thank you.    03-Apr-2006 00:03:06                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:08:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    Oh my. There there, Aggie.    03-Apr-2006 00:03:21                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:08:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    You have done splendidly, rosapillore!    03-Apr-2006 00:04:11                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:08:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    Thanks to your efforts, the Sleepwalkers are banished from the System!    03-Apr-2006 00:04:39                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:13:01    23    KingHazaa    45882    32476    3    AGENT PACE IS AT CLUB AVALON    03-Apr-2006 00:06:49
2006-04-03 00:13:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    Their drain on the power supply of the simulation has come to an end. We are out of danger once again, thanks to you!    03-Apr-2006 00:05:10                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:13:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    Yes, they had managed to channel a significant amount of power into their spotlight generators.    03-Apr-2006 00:05:34                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:13:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    Ah, of course, Stuza! Good question!    03-Apr-2006 00:05:53                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:13:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    We have already found and patched the exploit they used to achieve this power drain.    03-Apr-2006 00:06:10                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:13:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    The Sleepwalkers will trouble us no more.    03-Apr-2006 00:06:35                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:13:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    There is not much more to know, it seems.    03-Apr-2006 00:06:45                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:13:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    They were redpills, once Cypherites.    03-Apr-2006 00:06:52                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:13:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    Programs? You mean, problems in the code?    03-Apr-2006 00:07:11                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:13:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    No, not like this, thank the Source!    03-Apr-2006 00:07:28                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:13:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    This was a very bad one, and we took it very seriously.    03-Apr-2006 00:07:41                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:13:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    Any unusual elements in the simulation should, of course, be reported.    03-Apr-2006 00:08:03                -5079    -705    14890
2006-04-03 00:13:02    23    Agent Pace    0    0    0    Something to do with their hacked jack-in devices, Kratos.    03-Apr-2006 00:08:29

or in the "Requiescat in Pace" mission (where it describes how their power drain on the system was cut, their own systems fried, death and misery, etc), is reinsertion indicated. Probably all a moot point really, but I do so hate to see misinformation about the story being spread around without being challenged.

**Othinn1**

Server log excerpt! *drools*

**ZaneZavin**

Side stories can be fun.