I don't need to sit here and take this - Recursion - 5/16/06

**Darminian**

Gonna be hard to stop yourself from getting walked on when all you do is run around and hide you fat useless moron. I can't tell whats worse, the fact that zion still has you in their employ or the cypherites are too stupid to off you.

Darminian

**RetroX**

You cphys still trying to get rid of the guult. You pushed the boundries to the limit today. You say he would heave left his wife and kids but he wouldnt have they had already left his world was falling about as he didnt believe in the system anymore. You tried to force him to belive in something that he could not to and when you force someone against their wishes terrible things happen

**Symmetric**

PBlade wrote:

Symmetric wrote:
To say I'm disappointed in you is an understatement, Anome. I always thought you were better than that.

Excuse
me? The man tried his best under the circumstances. I'm not one to
agree or like Anome most of the time, but this time he tried his
hardest, and those Cypherite bastards ruined it all.

I'm not saying he didn't try, I'm saying he should have known better when dealing with such an instable individual. The meeting was already crashed by the Cypherites. Anome should have asked that the meeting be rescheduled in a safer location, like an REP. To go on with the meeting and make an already confused man even more confused clouds judgment, and it is never a good idea to make such an important decision under stress.

By swapping jabs at the Cypherites instead of focusing on protecting the Bluepill, he put his life and the life of that individual at stake, which is clearly something neither Zion nor the Machines would approve of. He let the Cypherites get the best of him, and he let his guard down. I've always applauded Anome for getting the job done as a mission controller...perhaps that's what he should stick with.

**Rogue**

I still would like to remind you all that Anome did not offer the man a choice. He basically said "Here, take this pill, it'll make you feel better." Then, he started to get pissed off at us when we offered the man the other side of this so-called choice, when we added in the blue pill. Anome would have been perfectly happy letting the man just swallow a red pill without ever giving him the other side of the equation. That there is dirty recruitment tactics.

**Bunnyfit**

RogueA wrote:
I still would like to remind you all that Anome did not offer the man a choice. He basically said "Here, take this pill, it'll make you feel better." Then, he started to get pissed off at us when we offered the man the other side of this so-called choice, when we added in the blue pill. Anome would have been perfectly happy letting the man just swallow a red pill without ever giving him the other side of the equation. That there is dirty recruitment tactics.

Really? Because it seems to me like you guys barged in before the conversation really even got started.

Dax

Symmetric wrote:

By swapping jabs at the Cypherites instead of focusing on protecting the Bluepill, he put his life and the life of that individual at stake, which is clearly something neither Zion nor the Machines would approve of. He let the Cypherites get the best of him, and he let his guard down. I've always applauded Anome for getting the job done as a mission controller...perhaps that's what he should stick with.

It's hard to stand by and just take insults like that. Anome was doing what he thought was best. He at least deserves credit for that, and he was going to save that mans life until the Cypherites ruined it.

**Illyria22**

RetroX wrote:
You say he would heave left his wife and kids but he wouldnt have they had already left his world was falling about as he didnt believe in the system anymore. You tried to force him to belive in something that he could not to and when you force someone against their wishes terrible things happen

That is precisely what's bothering me about this whole thing. All those bad things that happened to Kendell -- losing the election, having his wife walk out on him, the loss of his kids -- it looks like all that was leading up to the meeting with someone from Zion. Like it was all planned out in advance, scripted, so he would be driven to take the red pill. Most bluepills of his age would have too much to lose if they were extracted from the Matrix, so they're usually not good targets for Zion to approach. But this man had just had all that taken away from him, so he would have nothing to lose, and emotionally he was very vulnerable...a perfect candidate for the red pill.

I am rather suspicious.

Illyria

Jevex

I think those 3 pictures say it all. You Cypherites CHASED that poor man, who wanted nothing to do with EITHER side, right into the street. I think both sides are equally to blame for driving the man to a point of utter confusion, but the Cypherites didn't leave him **bleep** well enough alone. HE IS ALREADY "ASLEEP"! Isn't YOUR side of the battle already won that way? He stays asleep. Game over.

*sigh*

It's the struggle over who NEEDS to be right that drives me mad. We should ALL be ashamed...

Dragn-Mastyr

I am sick of all this. Were you people there? Do I see any of you in those pictures? Did you hear what was said? Did you see what happened? NO. What you know is what Anome tells you. You think he's going to implicate himself in this? Of course not, he's gonna pass blame on the only people he can - the same people who everyone is so eager to hate. Us. And how better than sharing the pictures that make him look oh-so-innocent in this.

I know what happened, and Anome, you will pay for it. The next time we meet, you won't be getting away so easily.

**GamiSB**

Illyria22 wrote:

RetroX wrote:
You say he would heave left his wife and kids but he wouldnt have they had already left his world was falling about as he didnt believe in the system anymore. You tried to force him to belive in something that he could not to and when you force someone against their wishes terrible things happen

That is precisely what's bothering me about this whole thing. All those bad things that happened to Kendell -- losing the election, having his wife walk out on him, the loss of his kids -- it looks like all that was leading up to the meeting with someone from Zion. Like it was all planned out in advance, scripted, so he would be driven to take the red pill. Most bluepills of his age would have too much to lose if they were extracted from the Matrix, so they're usually not good targets for Zion to approach. But this man had just had all that taken away from him, so he would have nothing to lose, and emotionally he was very vulnerable...a perfect candidate for the red pill.

I am rather suspicious.

Illyria

The city and all its functions are run by the machine. The election and everything that came from it are all results of choices people had. More people chose to vote for the other guy. His wife chose to leave him. They were all peoples choices. However I see what your getting at but the same can be applied to the machines. Could they have had something to do with the election going wrong? I ask you all to take a look at an example of what could be the case here.

Its a sad tale of a couple that had it all but had it all taken away by the machines. (See Deja Vu by Paul Chadwick)

**GamiSB**

DragnMastyr wrote:
I am sick of all this. Were you people there? Do I see any of you in those pictures? Did you hear what was said? Did you see what happened? NO. What you know is what Anome tells you. You think he's going to implicate himself in this? Of course not, he's gonna pass blame on the only people he can - the same people who everyone is so eager to hate. Us. And how better than sharing the pictures that make him look oh-so-innocent in this.

I know what happened, and Anome, you will pay for it. The next time we meet, you won't be getting away so easily.

IN deed we were not there. HOWEVER! We have the logs of what happened. The transmissions and video surveillance all showing that it wasnt Anome it was YOU.

**Illyria22**

GamiSB wrote:

The city and all its functions are run by the machine. The election and everything that came from it are all results of choices people had. More people chose to vote for the other guy. His wife chose to leave him. They were all peoples choices. However I see what your getting at but the same can be applied to the machines. Could they have had something to do with the election going wrong? I ask you all to take a look at an example of what could be the case here.

Its a sad tale of a couple that had it all but had it all taken away by the machines. (See Deja Vu by Paul Chadwick)

The link you've posted does prove that things in the Matrix can be manipulated, to produce a desired outcome. However, I doubt the Machines would have done all this to push Kendell into the arms of Zion.

If this was planned out in advance, it wasn't by the Machines.

Illyria

**GamiSB**

Illyria22 wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

The city and all its functions are run by the machine. The election and everything that came from it are all results of choices people had. More people chose to vote for the other guy. His wife chose to leave him. They were all peoples choices. However I see what your getting at but the same can be applied to the machines. Could they have had something to do with the election going wrong? I ask you all to take a look at an example of what could be the case here.

Its a sad tale of a couple that had it all but had it all taken away by the machines. (See Deja Vu by Paul Chadwick)

The link you've posted does prove that things in the Matrix can be manipulated, to produce a desired outcome. However, I doubt the Machines would have done all this to push Kendell into the arms of Zion.

If this was planned out in advance, it wasn't by the Machines.

Illyria

You missed the point. Human choice is there's alone. However things as you said can be manipulated. The Vote was a city thing. Machines run the city so ultimately they run the results. If you want to say it was a set up go ahead but do realize that the Machines would have started it all. As for his wife leaving. That is her choice. No one else's.

The choices and problems that lead to this situation are more then likely just products of fate. It was Roberts fate to die by the hands of stress brought on by the Cypherites. It was Roberts fate to have his wife leave him. It was his fate to loose the election. All these things lead to his death. You may think that this was a sad a miserable life he must have lead. Yes it was but already we can see the ultimate purpose behind it all. How you interpret it is up to you.

Gattsuru

Yeah, beware the evil giant machine conspiracy to... er...

Lose a battery? That doesn't sound very efficient.
Make Anome look like a fool? We don't need to bother for that to occur.

Make Cypherites look like idiots? Again, already done.

Anome was not trying to save the man's life. Like all Zion operations for redpill pulls, the man's safety was not her primary concern - at his age, a successful trace and rescue would be problematic at best, while in the Matrix, he'd live a natural lifespan.

That's not to justify the Cypherite idiots that actually thought the best course of action would be to have a bunch of masked men surround an already depressed man of dubious sanity, then barrage him with propaganda, but I doubt Anome's actions leave her without blood on her hands, either.

**Davo**

these two sum it up for me. in the first picture read the chat bar and decide if this man wanted to be awake.

and look at the second, who is the one fleeing the scene like someone that just got caught redhanded.

you can all say what you wish and blame whomever you want but the truth is, Anome did not offer him choice and our role was to balance the lack of choice with choice. Anome had to resort to namecalling, lies, deception, and all the other usual zion tactics for recruitment. All we did was remind him of his dream and try to help him find his way home. There was no bluepill in Anome's pockets or palms that day, yet we had both a red and a blue pill. shoot, anome even tried to convince him that we had already drugged him and that his pill could cure that...does that sound like truth or choice?

Tue May 16 18:25:01 2006 [Area] Anome: They've got you drugged up, man. Without you even knowing it.
Tue May 16 18:25:35 2006 [Area] Anome: I've got the cure for that.

Tue May 16 18:26:26 2006 [Area] Anome: Look. I have a pill. It won't hurt you, won't get you addicted.

then check this lie out. you can tell its a lie by two parts, the first is it is anome speaking it and the second is because we had no intel on this person until after we had our assignment to bust the meeting and present actual choice.

Tue May 16 18:29:41 2006 [Area] Anome: Oh, they've been stalking your family now, Robby. Isn't that nice? They're nice people, aren't they?

stalking??? Who created the terror in Mr. Kendell's heart?

Tue May 16 18:30:30 2006 [Area] Anome: That's 'cause they're fake, man! This is all a...a...a big lie.

stuttering anome? having problems spreading it on?

this next one looked like robert making his choice to wake up to his bed at home...

Tue May 16 18:32:53 2006 [Area] RobertKendell: I'm in a **bleep** bad dream. I'm going to wake up and be in my bed.

our offer of both pills, thi is how we saw it, he wanted a second chance with his family and his career not to become a cave monkey

Tue May 16 18:33:01 2006 [Area] Barakoa: Take the blue one, and you will have your second chance. Take the red one, and everything that counted for you will be wiped away.

Tue May 16 18:33:21 2006 [Area] Anome: **bleep** it...

and surely shouting this in his face was very calming and didnt cause this man to rush out into traffic...

Tue May 16 18:34:19 2006 [Area] Anome: It's a lie, dude! Your life is a lie!

as opposed to this from our side

Tue May 16 18:35:04 2006 [Area] DragnMastyr: Just take a moment. Deep breaths. And make your choice.

Tue May 16 18:35:07 2006 [Area] Anome: They're trying to put you back in the System, man.

Tue May 16 18:35:16 2006 [Area] Khursun: You're listening to a balding guy in a trench coat who approached you to take a pill while sitting at a bar...

Tue May 16 18:35:27 2006 [Area] Anome: You can't go back, can you? You're so close to knowing what's been behind all this crap, all your life.

Tue May 16 18:35:56 2006 [Area] RobertKendell: I. am to old.. Oh lord am I'm losing my mind?

Tue May 16 18:36:43 2006 [Area] Anome: Don't do it, Robby. Don't swallow their story again.

Tue May 16 18:37:03 2006 [Area] RobertKendell: You trying to brain wash me?

and now for my personal favorite that can be read in the first picture...

Tue May 16 18:36:57 2006 [Area] Davo: Don't let butter fingers here hand you anything. his lies are as awful as his ability to catch

Tue May 16 18:37:14 2006 [Area] Anome: Hey! The General threw it bad!

Tue May 16 18:37:28 2006 [Area] Khursun: That's the excuse they used in high school gym class, Anome.

Tue May 16 18:37:54 2006 [Area] Anome: Pfft. You weren't there, what do you know.

Tue May 16 18:38:19 2006 [Area] Davo: See Robert, even Anome talks about a high school and classes but then he tries to claim them as lies

Tue May 16 18:38:28 2006 [Area] Davo: How can you trust that

Tue May 16 18:38:35 2006 [Area] RobertKendell: That is..true.. but

Tue May 16 18:42:02 2006 [System] Anome refuses to be slapped.

Tue May 16 18:43:31 2006 [Area] Anome: Control, strike team on my position. We've got Cypherite hostiles here. The bluepill is down.

Tue May 16 18:48:17 2006 [Area] Barakoa: Your death will act as a sacrifice to the Cypherite cause. Now we know how senseless Zion is toward humanity. Our mission got a new incitative to continue.

Tue May 16 18:48:19 2006 [Area] CYL0N: we tried, and we will keep trying but this doesn't make it easier

Tue May 16 18:48:20 2006 [Area] DragnMastyr: You were a good man, Robert. May you find peace in your eternal sleep.