Can a Vampire turn an Exile

cryshal

that sounds like the logic of a teenager to me.

'oh yeah well, well.. (deep breath) nothing is real anyway so it dont matter!#$'

WoW is waiting for you, my friend. somewhere in Helm's Deep or Mordor theres a couple of hot elves in boots waiting for ya.. good sexy-time, yeah?

**MatrixRefugee**

Garu wrote:

cryshal wrote:
you guys are getting way out of control, as usual.

exile: rogue PROGRAM entity, exiled from the front yard of the machines to the far reaches of the matrix. see also Merovingian, Trainman, etc.

...NOT a biological entity. a program. one big jumble of code. get it?

now how the hell can something that only exists in 1's and 0's be a vampire? jesus christ. this is not underworld online.

THERE ARE NO TRUE VAMPIRES IN THE MATRIX GO BACK TO WoW!#$

True. There are programs designed to mimic the behaviors of vampires and other mythological creatures:
- Succubus
- Blooddrinkers
- Lupine
- Nightmare
They aren't "real", of course but they are well crafted. They even take high levels of damage from their respective kill codes.
Exiles are just programs that hide in the Matrix. Surely you cant deny the possibility that their programming could be corrupted by a virus that forces them exhibit traits of a vampire. Like you said, its all code and code can easily be manipulate given the resources.
So I believe that an exile can infect another exile program. Case in point, the exiles that were given Vials. They became more aggressive, though a bit less intelligent.
But Cryshal is still right. There are no true vampires in the Matrix. They are merely simulating them.

There's also angels, if you include the guys from Pandora's Box 4, and if I remember the details on the Hellions gang members, it seemed that some of them were demon-type programs. (Somewhere on these boards, back during the Hallowe'en shenanigans, there is a picture of one of them executing a Succubus's Kiss on somebody)

But I'm going to go with the "your mind makes it real" camp, for the most part. I run a character who has an Exile coded into her RSI, but I've been running it in a way that it could be anything: it could be there's another entity sharing her brain and her RSI, or it could be she just has an odd case of dissociative identity disorder with a touch of alien hand syndrome.

But, back to the original question: I posed this same question on my faction's forum, and someone came back with the answer that there's probably just room enough in an Exile's shell to run only one Exilic sub-routine at a time, so it's unlikely for a vampiric Exile to infuse another, run-of-the-processor Exile with vampiric coding/sub-routines.

Not that I was going to allow something like this to happen to my fully Exilic character, but considering how fond this guy is of a good meal, I don't think he'd be thrilled to wind up limiting his diet to medical blood bags.

**EndlessVoid**

I end up thinking about this topic pretty often, for obvious reasons. The way I see it, we can look at other factors in the storyline to explain the whole Exile transferrance thing.

Smith could overwrite people almost instantaneously, but only with an exact copy of himself. This process was sloppy at best, and often left mannerisms of the overwritten individuals behind. Neo was able to shrug it off entirely (most likely due to his power as the One), and the Oracle managed to leave a tiny bit of her own personality in the Smith that took her over.

The Machines are able to overwrite specific aspects of a person's mind. This is likewise an imperfect process, as revealed in the Cryptos message where he goes off on the Agents controlling him. Seraph has also been able to remove such editing, suggesting that it is either correctable, or simply exists as a governing layer over the original personality, without fundamentally altering it. At any rate, there is no suggestion whatsoever that this is a quick process. It might have taken quite a while to manipulate the affected minds in that way.

A few of the Machine critical missions have alluded to the time it takes the System to process various actions, and though these times range from nanoseconds to whole minutes, it is likely that the modification of a mind or RSI (as an aspect of that mind) would take some time to execute.

There are abilities that allow awakened beings (redpills and exiles alike) to manipulate the code to create guard programs. This takes relatively little time, but the guards created are generally mindless, understanding only simple commands. If you read the mission text spoken by any particular simulacrum, you can see that they operate under very clear, generally very simple orders. Even the invocation of this ability takes some time, having one of the longest timers in the game. I think that this is meant to reflect the realistic difficulty of creating even the likeness of a functional human form, rather than simply as a game balance mechanic.

Invalesco claimed to be able to transform a redpill into a Blooddrinker Exile. Assuming this claim (never tested) is true, it is still a substantial ritual in order to transform someone's mind in such a way. There is a certain precedent for minds being able to live without bodies in the Matrix (some of the Cheat Code Vials allowed this - Biern is now technically an Exile, I suppose), but nothing suggests that a process as instantaneous as a bite would be able to alter the proper code structures.

In fact, there is no precedent that the altered (Exile) code retains the same consciousness (or "soul" SMILEY

of the original host. True, it should have all the host's mannerisms and memories (as Biern clearly does), but it is rather unlikely that his controlling essence is the same as that of the human Biern. This is because computer systems, on their most basic level, alter files by creating a new copy and deleting the old one. As a supplimental note, this is the way I've been playing Void - as an entity identical to his original being, but without the same consciousness.

Personally speaking, I don't believe that it's possible to alter someone's code (unless we're talking a complete rewrite) in any short amount of time. I also don't believe that it's possible to transfer someone's code wholly into the Matrix (to create an Exile from a human design) and then import the human's "consciousness" into that new shell - especially without preserving the physical mind of that being.

- Void

PS. Thanks for reading. I know it's a lot for some random post in the middle of a thread. SMILEY

**MxO-PhanthomZtryker**

You're welcome, Void. =P

**Zampano1981**

cryshal wrote:

that sounds like the logic of a teenager to me.

'oh yeah well, well.. (deep breath) nothing is real anyway so it dont matter!#$'

WoW is waiting for you, my friend. somewhere in Helm's Deep or Mordor theres a couple of hot elves in boots waiting for ya.. good sexy-time, yeah?

You are the one that insinuated that there are no Vampires because they are merely 1s and 0s. The "logic of a teenager" is a continuation of your reasoning, so perhaps, indeed, you are correct. If you actually utilised that mind of yours you would see that my premise was in complete discord with "nothing is real anyway so it dont [sic] matter!"

"There are programs that simulate the conception of Vampirism, hence, to the human mind, there are Vampires"

Now, my friend, instead of mocking others for discussing the topic perhaps you could save your fingers the typing.

Also, please note that neither Helm's Deep or Mordor have any association with WoW (A game that has no interest to me whatsoever).

**cloudwolf**

Awesome post Void SMILEY

**MatrixRefugee**

/target Void

/clap

Very well-put, man. I'm blown away by it! :: Laughs::