kou_urake wrote: As for actual peace discussions, I'm all for them - I want the truce back as much as anyone. I have nothing else to add.From what I understand though, while many Machinists would still be open to talks, that number decreases everytime something like this happens. Not something you'd want to happen if the real attempt at talking comes along. I've heard that EPN helped Zion with a Cypherite problem during one of Zion's operations and as such returned the favour for EPN this time. So I doubt it was EPN trying to "drive a wedge" between Zion and the Machines, Zion was doing it well enough for itself.As for considering this as an example for why the Machines must reinstate the truce, perhaps if Zion, as an organisation, truly acted in favour of creating and working within the framework of a treaty, the Machines wouldn't treat them as enemies, incentive enough I'd say. You need to earn trust before you have it. If what I said above is true, then they are already working with EPN and as such either do not want a treaty or want to have their cake and eat it.
As for actual peace discussions, I'm all for them - I want the truce back as much as anyone. I have nothing else to add.
From what I understand though, while many Machinists would still be open to talks, that number decreases everytime something like this happens. Not something you'd want to happen if the real attempt at talking comes along. I've heard that EPN helped Zion with a Cypherite problem during one of Zion's operations and as such returned the favour for EPN this time. So I doubt it was EPN trying to "drive a wedge" between Zion and the Machines, Zion was doing it well enough for itself.
As for considering this as an example for why the Machines must reinstate the truce, perhaps if Zion, as an organisation, truly acted in favour of creating and working within the framework of a treaty, the Machines wouldn't treat them as enemies, incentive enough I'd say. You need to earn trust before you have it. If what I said above is true, then they are already working with EPN and as such either do not want a treaty or want to have their cake and eat it.
She is in our custody - to protect her from the dangerous terrorists that have been manipulating her grief over the loss of her husband their own ends.
2 patrols of 3 Agents had since lingered at the bank where Theresa is employed. Tonight, they were cleansed from the area.
The name Navin Manohar ring any bells to you?
Somehow I fail to see the equanimity between Zionites helping EPN catch up to Mauser and Machinists attempting to capture or kill Commander Lock, killing Navin Manohar, actively seeking and killing veteran Zion operatives, et cetera.
Machinists don't act in favor of creating and working within the framework of a treaty. Neither do the Machines when they can cast aside the truce Neo established with them simply because they thought that the creation of New Zion undermined the purpose of the truce - their purpose for it, obviously, not the legal and established purpose of the truce. How can you point that finger at us when nothing we've done comes close to the murderous actions of the Machines? I just don't get this anymore. And this is after almost a year. You can't simply ignore the comparisons here.
Beside that, I can recall Machinists being ordered to assist Cypherites on several occassions, on many, if not all, Machinists agreed to go along with such operations. Sometimes even before the end of the Truce. Now, if I were to compare the "worst" things that EPN have done to the worst things that the Cypherites have done, it would be no contest. If you're looking for a finger to point, you should be seeking out a mirror.
And not only that but you are presumptuous to assume that trust needs only exist on one side here. Peace will never exist in such a situation.
Many of us are indeed working in cooperation with EPN at this juncture. Guess what? They're not the monsters your overlords played them up to be. Not even close. Now, take a look around at the people your "leadership" (if you can call the Colonel and his Agents that) considers "under control," considers allies. Consider how long the relationship between those two organizations has been around, and consider how many things have been done in tandem between the two.
How are you any better? Who are you to say that we oppose peace?
EPN seeks peace through the complete removal of control, or essentially allowing all sentient beings the right to choose for themselves what they want.
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Zion and EPN support choice only if it's the "right" choice -- meaning, support them and don't work for the Machines or the Merovingian. This was apparent in the seduction missions even before the truce ended.
TheresaMorton: Help me!Starschwar: You are being helped.
/target Starschwar/laugh
She wasn't talking to you.
Just doing my part to help calm her down.
Hm, yes yes and I am sure if a majority of bluepills/redpills prefferred machine control (hypothetically) the Kid would lovingly hug the first agent he sees?
