What's the concept of déjà-vu?

**zeroone506**

Déjà-vus in the Matrix have been explained through errors in the Matrix (like a bunch of other phenomena of which we don't know if they occured in the Real) - so how's it supposed to occur?

An error in the Matrix arises, and time jumps back and repeats the events once again. Unlike redpills, the bluepills don't perceive it consciously and just experience a familiarity when reliving the situation, right?

**ShiXinFeng**

That's the most feasible explanation I've ever heard for it. I once thought that maybe their memories were erased a little, but now I think that would be too hard to do, and that they just dismiss such experiences as the rational mind will allow.

**zeroone506**

Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:

That's the most feasible explanation I've ever heard for it. I once thought that maybe their memories were erased a little, but now I think that would be too hard to do, and that they just dismiss such experiences as the rational mind will allow.

It appears you've misread me, I actually did mean that their memories got erased "a little". SMILEY

You know, just like in that Star Trek TNG episode ("Cause and Effect", more aptly named "Déjà-Vu" in German), where the Enterprise was caught in a time warp and got destroyed again and again. The crew never took conscious memories into the new instances, but perceived the identical situations as more and more familiar.

I meant the same here - maybe a few seconds get repeated "when they change something", the time gets skipped back and the bluepills relive the same thing again, without conscious memories but with subconscious ones, and then find the situation familiar (although they'd think they've already seen it a time ago, or rather in a dream or in thoughts, rather than a few seconds ago - at least that's how I experience it).

The redpills are probably not affected by it - well, what means probably, we saw it in the movie. Yes, it was a program, not a plugged-in cat, but bluepills would hardly perceive two identical dogs identically running through the street while as a déjà-vu if they had moved on in time themselves, right?

I don't think an average rational mind would automatically cast off a perception of repeated events into the sub-consciousness, it would rather ask itself "what teh friggin' hell is going on here"? Maybe, depending on individual minds, there is some point where a bluepill overloads some capacities and gets kicked out of the system, then.

Then again, the Matrix isn't the real world, and the humans inside aren't normal humans, they perceive and think through a technological interface planted into their brain. Maybe their minds work differently or get differently controled by the Matrix, and they really place certain events from consciousness into subconsciousness. So I can't say your "new" suggestion here was wrong in any way.

**Slaro001**

wow, i actualy remember that episode of star treck.....

**ShiXinFeng**

zeroone506 wrote:

Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:

That's the most feasible explanation I've ever heard for it. I once thought that maybe their memories were erased a little, but now I think that would be too hard to do, and that they just dismiss such experiences as the rational mind will allow.
It appears you've misread me, I actually did mean that their memories got erased "a little".

You know, just like in that Star Trek TNG episode ("Cause and Effect", more aptly named "Déjà-Vu" in German), where the Enterprise was caught in a time warp and got destroyed again and again. The crew never took conscious memories into the new instances, but perceived the identical situations as more and more familiar.

I meant the same here - maybe a few seconds get repeated "when they change something", the time gets skipped back and the bluepills relive the same thing again, without conscious memories but with subconscious ones, and then find the situation familiar (although they'd think they've already seen it a time ago, or rather in a dream or in thoughts, rather than a few seconds ago - at least that's how I experience it).

The redpills are probably not affected by it - well, what means probably, we saw it in the movie. Yes, it was a program, not a plugged-in cat, but bluepills would hardly perceive two identical dogs identically running through the street while as a déjà-vu if they had moved on in time themselves, right?

I don't think an average rational mind would automatically cast off a perception of repeated events into the sub-consciousness, it would rather ask itself "what teh friggin' hell is going on here"? Maybe, depending on individual minds, there is some point where a bluepill overloads some capacities and gets kicked out of the system, then.

Then again, the Matrix isn't the real world, and the humans inside aren't normal humans, they perceive and think through a technological interface planted into their brain. Maybe their minds work differently or get differently controled by the Matrix, and they really place certain events from consciousness into subconsciousness. So I can't say your "new" suggestion here was wrong in any way.

lol, how could I mis-read what you never alluded to in your OP? SMILEY

In any case, I don't think the memories are erased. I just think they (everyone of them) pass off any major changes that result in a deja-vu moment as their minds will allow.

For those who recognize these changes, they are the ones who are questioning, and usually end up rejecting, the system. They're the ones who are beginning to get the splinter in their minds. SMILEY

**Fractor**

The matrix has it's own explanations for strange happenings in real life. For example bluepills thinking they saw vampires, ghosts etc when they are thought to be nonexistent but they actually did see them except they are exiles masquerading as them. Same thing with the Matrix's explanation to déjà-vu.