MetaLogic wrote:NiChO wrote:MetaLogic wrote:Neoteny wrote:Yeah, it's a bit murky there, and either suggests that the Real is some sort of Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix theory) or that this new Matrix has no plugs in some sort of effort to keep those who escape from returning.Let's just say that The Intruder is the guy that we've seen in the Cinematics, we've all seen what kind of power he has over machines in the real, who's to say that he can't simply grab a jack and force himself into the Matrix? My thoughts are most based on him being able to jack in mentally without a jack just as Neo ones did when he woke up in Mobil Ave.Yea, but you know what the Oracle says, those who've done that in the past dies. Also, don't you really have to be close to the Source in order to be able to do that? Before Neo was able to separate his mind and body he was near the Source in the Architect's room. Perhaps he has been in the source and returned.
NiChO wrote:MetaLogic wrote:Neoteny wrote:Yeah, it's a bit murky there, and either suggests that the Real is some sort of Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix theory) or that this new Matrix has no plugs in some sort of effort to keep those who escape from returning.Let's just say that The Intruder is the guy that we've seen in the Cinematics, we've all seen what kind of power he has over machines in the real, who's to say that he can't simply grab a jack and force himself into the Matrix? My thoughts are most based on him being able to jack in mentally without a jack just as Neo ones did when he woke up in Mobil Ave.Yea, but you know what the Oracle says, those who've done that in the past dies. Also, don't you really have to be close to the Source in order to be able to do that? Before Neo was able to separate his mind and body he was near the Source in the Architect's room.
MetaLogic wrote:Neoteny wrote:Yeah, it's a bit murky there, and either suggests that the Real is some sort of Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix theory) or that this new Matrix has no plugs in some sort of effort to keep those who escape from returning.Let's just say that The Intruder is the guy that we've seen in the Cinematics, we've all seen what kind of power he has over machines in the real, who's to say that he can't simply grab a jack and force himself into the Matrix? My thoughts are most based on him being able to jack in mentally without a jack just as Neo ones did when he woke up in Mobil Ave.
Neoteny wrote:Yeah, it's a bit murky there, and either suggests that the Real is some sort of Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix theory) or that this new Matrix has no plugs in some sort of effort to keep those who escape from returning.Let's just say that The Intruder is the guy that we've seen in the Cinematics, we've all seen what kind of power he has over machines in the real, who's to say that he can't simply grab a jack and force himself into the Matrix?
Yeah, it's a bit murky there, and either suggests that the Real is some sort of Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix theory) or that this new Matrix has no plugs in some sort of effort to keep those who escape from returning.
NiChO wrote:MetaLogic wrote:NiChO wrote:MetaLogic wrote:Neoteny wrote:Yeah, it's a bit murky there, and either suggests that the Real is some sort of Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix theory) or that this new Matrix has no plugs in some sort of effort to keep those who escape from returning.Let's just say that The Intruder is the guy that we've seen in the Cinematics, we've all seen what kind of power he has over machines in the real, who's to say that he can't simply grab a jack and force himself into the Matrix? My thoughts are most based on him being able to jack in mentally without a jack just as Neo ones did when he woke up in Mobil Ave.Yea, but you know what the Oracle says, those who've done that in the past dies. Also, don't you really have to be close to the Source in order to be able to do that? Before Neo was able to separate his mind and body he was near the Source in the Architect's room. Perhaps he has been in the source and returned. Hmm....that's a possibility.
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Neo: Tell me how I separated my mind from my body without jacking in. Tell me how I stopped four sentinels by thinking it. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me.Oracle: The power of the One extends beyond this world. It reaches from here all the way back to where it came from.Neo: Where?Oracle: The Source. That's what you felt when you touched those Sentinels. But you weren't ready for it. You should be dead, but apparently you weren't ready for that, either.
She defintley just tells him that he wasn't ready for it and thats what should have killed him. Not that anyone else that has tried it has died or will die without some magical code. Also she doesn't explain at all how Neo did it. Just that he touched the source while doing it and that his power extended beyond just the Matrix.
MetaLogic wrote:NiChO wrote:MetaLogic wrote:NiChO wrote:MetaLogic wrote:Neoteny wrote:Yeah, it's a bit murky there, and either suggests that the Real is some sort of Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix theory) or that this new Matrix has no plugs in some sort of effort to keep those who escape from returning.Let's just say that The Intruder is the guy that we've seen in the Cinematics, we've all seen what kind of power he has over machines in the real, who's to say that he can't simply grab a jack and force himself into the Matrix? My thoughts are most based on him being able to jack in mentally without a jack just as Neo ones did when he woke up in Mobil Ave.Yea, but you know what the Oracle says, those who've done that in the past dies. Also, don't you really have to be close to the Source in order to be able to do that? Before Neo was able to separate his mind and body he was near the Source in the Architect's room. Perhaps he has been in the source and returned. Hmm....that's a possibility. >.< Neo: Tell me how I separated my mind from my body without jacking in. Tell me how I stopped four sentinels by thinking it. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me.Oracle: The power of the One extends beyond this world. It reaches from here all the way back to where it came from.Neo: Where?Oracle: The Source. That's what you felt when you touched those Sentinels. But you weren't ready for it. You should be dead, but apparently you weren't ready for that, either. She defintley just tells him that he wasn't ready for it and thats what should have killed him. Not that anyone else that has tried it has died or will die without some magical code. Also she doesn't explain at all how Neo did it. Just that he touched the source while doing it and that his power extended beyond just the Matrix.
Its a, the Intruder is able to jack in without a neral jack because he (like Neo) has found a way to do it. Not because of any special code he caries or because of where he has been but simply because he chooses to.
In short, Neo (and now the intruder) was/is only human. Nothing more nothing less.
In a world where nothing is real and the only limitations are the ones your mind places in front of you yes I do believe that anyone can do anything when it comes to the Matrix.
I need to clarify though that I do not mean that it is simply a mater of "I want the sky to turn green" and its done, but that with the knowledge of how to do so it is very possible for anyone to do it.
In a world where nothing is real and the only limitations are the ones your mind places in front of you yes I do believe that anyone can do anything when it comes to the Matrix. I need to clarify though that I do not mean that it is simply a mater of "I want the sky to turn green" and its done, but that with the knowledge of how to do so it is very possible for anyone to do it.
As far as I'm concerned, Neo was able to jack in remotely because he had some extra technology in the back of his head, that was probably put there before he was extracted. It may have been given to all podborns and only he could use it, or it may have been given to just him, though I couldn't tell you why. The Matrix films don't go defying physics all over the place (the worst they do is make their descriptions vague, but at least they try), so I find it very unlikely that Neo had some sort of bizarre telepathic ability or anything. Definitely technology assisted.If the Intruder is Mystery Man from the cinematics, he obviously has a mastery of technology, and could very well have fashioned himself a similar wireless link despite being freeborn. Or if he's one of the humans destined for some new version of the Matrix (which I'm not so sure about, as how would any of them have power over the Machines?), the Machines may have abandoned the classic jack design and gone with a new wireless system; the Intruder could have legged it and used his wireless jack to get into the Matrix.
According to Gray, the Intruder is a freeborn and therefore not a previous anomaly. An anomaly is a product of the system and if he was never part of the system he could not be a 'One'. He has power over the system's codes, no doubt about it, but there is no clear mention that his connection is wireless however. Perhaps this is a product of an experiment into allowing mind into the simulation without the need for an embedded cranial jack... some new technology which, when worn, sends and pulls signals from the brain through the skull for example, not necessarily of Machine origin... well perhaps not the Machines that we know... What would be the benefits of wireless transmission over wired? I can think of mobility, but why would the Machines want to keep their power supply mobile?
Well, like I said, once they escaped, they'd be virtually unable to get back into the Matrix. You take the red pill, you're out for good. No going back in to free minds. Unless somebody figured it out, but I think that'd take quite a time. And, yeah, I can't honestly see him as being some sort of previous anomole, given the revelation that he's freeborn. I agree with Proc that that was an effect of Neo's technology.
But in either case, we also have the informatoin that he's "from a higher version number of the Matrix." So we're left guessing how he can be both freeborn and able to enter not only this Matrix, but another as well.
The other question that comes to my mind is whether or not all freeborns would have a similar command of the Matrix upon entry.
If that was the case he would of had it even while he was a bluepill and everyone would have noticed it.
NiChO wrote:If that was the case he would of had it even while he was a bluepill and everyone would have noticed it.Why? He was the One from the start, but the appropriate code wasn't active. Doesn't mean it wasn't there.
