Really you tracked him down and killed him **bullcrud**
Yep.
Contrary to popular belief, we try to protect the copper-tops as much as possible, unless they become a liability..
Ballak wrote:Contrary to popular belief, we try to protect the copper-tops as much as possible, unless they become a liability..Many of us (myself included) consider ensuring the well being of the bluepills as their primary goal, regardless of circumstances.
Even if Gray tells you to off some bluepill?
kou_urake wrote:Ballak wrote:Contrary to popular belief, we try to protect the copper-tops as much as possible, unless they become a liability..Many of us (myself included) consider ensuring the well being of the bluepills as their primary goal, regardless of circumstances.Even if Gray tells you to off some bluepill?
I am saddened to hear that the Pluribites used the guise of Peace Talks to gather Machinists to the location of the Zionite diversion. It will now be far easier for The Machines to refuse future genuine attempts at reconciliation. Futhermore, I hope that EPN did not use this pretext as an intentional means to "drive a wedge" between Zion and The Machines. Either way, it was the Machines who brought a platoon of Government Troops to the location; hardly an act of Peace.
In fact, I am surprized that more Machinists have not already described this incident as justification to breaking the Truce. However, I believe we should consider it as a prime example of why The Machines must reinstate the Truce. If Zionites are to be treated as enemies, there is no incentive to work within the framework of a treaty. By shunning us, they essentially compel us to join with the extremist Pluribites; as the only potential source of mutual aid. If there were a treaty at stake, we would be far less inclined to jeopardize it...
As far as I was aware, the Zionites were at a machine installation - the guards were defending it accordingly. Only the Machinists were under the impression that peace talks were going to occur.
You are absolutely right: Zionites had no idea that the meeting was expected to be an initial Peace talk. I would have to state that it is a very positive sign that The Machines agreed to the meeting taking place under that understanding, regardless of the eventual outcome.
But...it was a Machine installation? That's the bit you want to pick me up on? Sheesh!
[kou_urake misses you(r main points) with their Speed attack.]
You've missed my point. The Zionites went to that machine location for reasons other than discussing peace - they had not been invited. The guards on station defended it. We then arrived and, of course, the fight escalated.
As for actual peace discussions, I'm all for them - I want the truce back as much as anyone. I have nothing else to add.
From what I understand though, while many Machinists would still be open to talks, that number decreases everytime something like this happens. Not something you'd want to happen if the real attempt at talking comes along. I've heard that EPN helped Zion with a Cypherite problem during one of Zion's operations and as such returned the favour for EPN this time. So I doubt it was EPN trying to "drive a wedge" between Zion and the Machines, Zion was doing it well enough for itself.
As for considering this as an example for why the Machines must reinstate the truce, perhaps if Zion, as an organisation, truly acted in favour of creating and working within the framework of a treaty, the Machines wouldn't treat them as enemies, incentive enough I'd say. You need to earn trust before you have it. If what I said above is true, then they are already working with EPN and as such either do not want a treaty or want to have their cake and eat it.
Ballak wrote:kou_urake wrote:Ballak wrote:Contrary to popular belief, we try to protect the copper-tops as much as possible, unless they become a liability..Many of us (myself included) consider ensuring the well being of the bluepills as their primary goal, regardless of circumstances.Even if Gray tells you to off some bluepill? He would have to give me a very good reason for it to be done. Otherwise, I wouldn't do it.
