If fleshborn humans could Jack In, I think they might have figured it out by now. They've never shown a fleshborn human within the simulation ever. I think it's just as inane as the roleplayer who explains, through their character, that "I've traveled all over the world and it's not all dead. There's plants and animals growing in the Real." Hovercrafts simply don't have the range to venture off so far from Zion.

Some things would just be common sense based off of the canon, imo.

Back on topic, a Redpill can give birth but that doesn't necessarily mean that the RSI will appear pregnant. On top of that, evidence points to it that the child will not be able to Jack In.

Considering that the RSI is a projection of a Redpill's image of themself, and considering how profoundly pregnancy affects a woman's body and mindset, it *might* affect her enough to show some change in the RSI, but it would depend on the woman. Some gals go through a full-term pregnancy smoothly and others are knocked for a loop by it.

As for the cranial jack, I know one or two people who RP freeborns who were retrofitted with jacks, and I'm cool with it. I think the trick is, the jack would have to be implanted while the kid was fairly young so the brain could grow around the jack and the (theoretical) filiments radiating from it could connect with the brain cells as they continue to develop.

Zerotolerance wrote:

Back on topic, a Redpill can give birth but that doesn't necessarily mean that the RSI will appear pregnant. On top of that, evidence points to it that the child will not be able to Jack In.

Considering that the RSI is a projection of a Redpill's image of themself, and considering how profoundly pregnancy affects a woman's body and mindset, it *might* affect her enough to show some change in the RSI, but it would depend on the woman. Some gals go through a full-term pregnancy smoothly and others are knocked for a loop by it.

As for the cranial jack, I know one or two people who RP freeborns who were retrofitted with jacks, and I'm cool with it. I think the trick is, the jack would have to be implanted while the kid was fairly young so the brain could grow around the jack and the (theoretical) filiments radiating from it could connect with the brain cells as they continue to develop.

MatrixRefugee wrote:

Zerotolerance wrote:

Back on topic, a Redpill can give birth but that doesn't necessarily mean that the RSI will appear pregnant. On top of that, evidence points to it that the child will not be able to Jack In.

Considering that the RSI is a projection of a Redpill's image of themself, and considering how profoundly pregnancy affects a woman's body and mindset, it *might* affect her enough to show some change in the RSI, but it would depend on the woman. Some gals go through a full-term pregnancy smoothly and others are knocked for a loop by it.

As for the cranial jack, I know one or two people who RP freeborns who were retrofitted with jacks, and I'm cool with it. I think the trick is, the jack would have to be implanted while the kid was fairly young so the brain could grow around the jack and the (theoretical) filiments radiating from it could connect with the brain cells as they continue to develop.

Yeah, Cranial Jacks don't seem to stray too far from Canon since it's perceivable that humans have some knowledge of the method of their imprisonment. After all, still living humans - some adults - were implanted into the first Matrix. I'd have to think that anyone RPing a Cypherite would be against bringing a child into a world that they're against in the first place. This beckons the question: How is population regulated within the Matrix if two humans were to have a child within it? Is the child that results, effectively just a being compiled from the mother and father's genetic makeup and plopped into another pod? Or is it completely random? When someone says "That person isn't really your Mother." or "That isn't really your brother." - I'd think that would be incorrect - seeing how they'd inevitably look like each other to an extent - thus signifying the use of the same genetic material.


Ideas?

Marias wrote:

MatrixRefugee wrote:

Zerotolerance wrote:

Back on topic, a Redpill can give birth but that doesn't necessarily mean that the RSI will appear pregnant. On top of that, evidence points to it that the child will not be able to Jack In.

Considering that the RSI is a projection of a Redpill's image of themself, and considering how profoundly pregnancy affects a woman's body and mindset, it *might* affect her enough to show some change in the RSI, but it would depend on the woman. Some gals go through a full-term pregnancy smoothly and others are knocked for a loop by it.

As for the cranial jack, I know one or two people who RP freeborns who were retrofitted with jacks, and I'm cool with it. I think the trick is, the jack would have to be implanted while the kid was fairly young so the brain could grow around the jack and the (theoretical) filiments radiating from it could connect with the brain cells as they continue to develop.

Yeah, Cranial Jacks don't seem to stray too far from Canon since it's perceivable that humans have some knowledge of the method of their imprisonment. After all, still living humans - some adults - were implanted into the first Matrix. I'd have to think that anyone RPing a Cypherite would be against bringing a child into a world that they're against in the first place. This beckons the question: How is population regulated within the Matrix if two humans were to have a child within it? Is the child that results, effectively just a being compiled from the mother and father's genetic makeup and plopped into another pod? Or is it completely random? When someone says "That person isn't really your Mother." or "That isn't really your brother." - I'd think that would be incorrect - seeing how they'd inevitably look like each other to an extent - thus signifying the use of the same genetic material.


Ideas?

...anyone?

I think that if pregnant in the real, the womans RSI would, except in the case of some exceptionally disciplined women, reflect the body's changes. Their mind would change their RSI. I understand the point above that the foetus wouldn't have it's own mind but it is the RSI of the woman not the baby creating it.

If for some reason the redpill were to give birth while still jacked in then just before or during labour the simulation would want to change the reference of the child RSI to the childs pod which is obviously impossible. The result would be a stillborn child inside the simulation (as it has no point of reference for instinct and mind) but outside it could be alive and hopefully, as healthy as anything.

I've always thought that when, as a young child, you start to gain awareness of yourself and your surroundings and memories start, that is when the childs jack starts performing as it should, until then the RSI of the child is just funtioning on instinct from the childs brain.

I agree with the point that if two redpills were going at it inside the simulation, then no pregnancy can occur as there would be no real physical exchange of fluids. Probably the ultimate form of safe sex... as long as they aren't flagged!

One other question comes to mind and I am sure it was asked before but wouldn't there be some directive against having a pregnate woman running around in the Matrix doing missions? Regardless of org loyalties I don't think any Captain is gonna allow a pregnate woman to put herself in that much danger. I know this is splitting hairs but I was curious about how that is handled (rp wise).

I guess that would be up to the type of persons that both the woman and the captain are (the woman could be the captain) Naturally most Orgs would have rules set down about this but when it comes to the crunch they may decide that her presence is vital to mission success...

As long as the woman's mind doesn't think that there has been some trauma to her body, the real baby should be unaffected. If her mind says that she's been shot in the stomach.. there is a real danger to the child. Recon missions and non-combat missions would be fine I would say. 

I think that if pregnant in the real, the womans RSI would, except in the case of some exceptionally disciplined women, reflect the body's changes. Their mind would change their RSI. I understand the point above that the foetus wouldn't have it's own mind but it is the RSI of the woman not the baby creating it.

Mm, especially my girl as a case in point: she's disciplined, but she has her moments when she lets her guard down, usually inadvertantly; case in point when she got hit with a sentient toxin and wasn't able to dislodge it herself and ended up having a code-eating Exile coded into her mind to stop it's spread. I could see her wind up letting her guard down enough that she winds up "showing" while she's jacked in, especially late in the pregnancy, ie. the "I'm sick of being pregnant" stage (I had a co-worker who, while she loved having kids and even enjoyed being pregnant, got to the point in her last month when she was really, really looking forward to her son being born).

If for some reason the redpill were to give birth while still jacked in then just before or during labour the simulation would want to change the reference of the child RSI to the childs pod which is obviously impossible. The result would be a stillborn child inside the simulation (as it has no point of reference for instinct and mind) but outside it could be alive and hopefully, as healthy as anything.

Knowing my gal, I could see her maintaining business as usual -- since she's a crew captain and co-commander of a faction -- right up to the time she actually gives birth, maybe even doing something like the Empress Maria Theresa of Austria (Marie Antoinette's mom) and attending to matters of state right up to the moment her daughter was actually being born. This could make for an interesting, dramatically-comedic story where she's trying to find an exit and some Bluepill women, noticing she's beyond the point of "any minute now", try taking her to a hospital.

I've always thought that when, as a young child, you start to gain awareness of yourself and your surroundings and memories start, that is when the childs jack starts performing as it should, until then the RSI of the child is just funtioning on instinct from the childs brain.

Which brings me to a theory I've had since reading the Matrix Comic "Morning Sickness", where a Redpill woman takes a foetus off a stalk out in the fields. I don't know if this was intentional or a gaffe on the part of the artist who drew the artwork for the comic, but the foetuses look pretty good-sized. I'd say they look bigger than a newborn, maybe the size of a three-month old baby, thereabouts. It might happen that the Machines wait till the baby is a certain size that's easy for them to harvest/plug into the power plant, etc. and this might explain why a baby's awareness of the world around them beyond their mother, food, warmth, etc. doesn't really start until a few months after birth.

I agree with the point that if two redpills were going at it inside the simulation, then no pregnancy can occur as there would be no real physical exchange of fluids. Probably the ultimate form of safe sex... as long as they aren't flagged!

:: Laughs:: One argument in favor of "cybering"; and mind you, I really don't care *what* people RP in that regard, as long as they're both consenting to it, they do it in a private chat of some sort and they aren't doing it, say, smack in Camon Central on a busy night.

I see alot of recon missions at about 3am to the local grocery for ice cream and pickles (chuckles)

(I'm sorry, it's late and I've skipped a couple of pages, so if I've repeated a point that's already been made, feel free to slap me, this is just too interesting not to comment on.)

I can't help but wonder how effective an EJP would be while pregnant, after all, it's designed to activate the moment a person would die within the simulation. Would it have to be altered to help protect the child as well? I think that it would be a major issue for any mother to be as a child's development in a very delicate process, and so any damage could be critical.

Also, as a point of interest, I don't believe that it's possible to become pregnant in the real after intercourse within the simulation, I used to believe it was possible, but now that I think about it, wasn't Persephone's original purpose to stimulate the human reproductive organs? It was a while ago, but I believe something was said about needing to take the two.. we'll say "componants," required, and mix them in a seperate location. This would imply that when the event takes place in the situation the placibo effect is not strong enough to actually make someone pregnant.

The mind may very well try to "make it real," but if it's too much effort for a human with complete faith in the reality of the simulation to actually become pregnant on her own, then no ammount of mental dicipline would be able to help someone who has had the truth revealed.