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A Special The Other Side of the Looking Glass - April 2, 2007
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Systemic Anomaly

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DA, Im going to keep this short and sweet, and again, this is not a flame, but personal opinion.

You are correct in saying that I do not know exactly what you have done personally to fix things, via /bug or the "Champaigne Room".

I do know this though, when TCR came public you know what state it was in? It was a place where people would hang out and feel like "Cool kids". There was no bug reporting going on, it was just a bunch of "sup" and "Hey Raijin". If its changed since it went through the name change? Good. However I dont see how it could since the only member of the admin/dev team that was really posting in it was Raijin, and as a forum admin he didnt have a real means to getting anything posted there fast tracked to the team.



Systemic Anomaly

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NightTrace wrote:
Cmdr_Dezreki wrote:
NightTrace wrote:
Walrus wrote:

And, as far as any concerns go, if you'd seen some of the mistakes I made in my past, you would've been disappointed to have me. Give Raijinn a chance. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Walrus, I've seen you make mistakes before. Hell, I've seen you accidently post the entire weeks events on DN1 before by accident. And I still managed to pull a good time out of Death to the Destroyer.

I've also seen some of TSR Joels mistakes before. Things like playing favorites, "special forums" for aforementioned favorites, hopping in game to talk to the again aforementioned favorites, abuse of the system chat system, and a glaring inability to see where someone was coming from if their opinions did not match his own.

Your mistakes while in the past have been rather large, did not degrade your ability to do your job. Unfortunantly for TSR Joel, I cannot say the same for him. Everything I have seen him do would suggest to me that he is in fact -not- qualified to take on a community managment posistion. Let alone take over that posistion for the very same group he once got pushed out of.
Hmm...where have I seen the MCDOE post complaints about favortism before?...

Oh, right, all over the place until they started getting a bunch of FM-1500 Magnums, *then* they began to shut up. SMILEY

So, what is the price this time, NightTrace, hm? O_O!

Raijinn's a good guy, hands down. He is a great person for community management/relations/parties/etc.
You know Dezreki, thats flamebaiting, and Im not going to stoop to your level on this one. I will give you a short responce however. The DOE has earned two FM-1500's. One by Symmetric when the DOE in no uncertain terms collected more then any other faction by a means of almost 100 items. The other by Mitrios who came out on top of a tournie. If you would like to make accusations based on fact, please feel free, if you would like to continue to make wild posts with no factual basis, please do not post at all.
1. Yes, I realize that was flamebating, but, I was right willing to accept a forum warning for getting my point across.

2. You eared two FM-1500s, I didn't say *anything* about how you got them. I just simply said I didn't see many favortism posts come up like before after you guys got your FM-1500 Magnums. SMILEY

3. And do I *need* proof of the favortism posts you made? I could dig them up, I'm sure, searching "NightTrace" would find them rather quickly.

4. My posts are wild, but they're fun.

5. I will continue to post, kthxbai.

When it comes down to it, Mr. NightTrace, there's *always* going to be favortism, even if it isn't extremely apparantly or extremely based off of favortism. You remember Rarebit's post about the people who do things in live events to get 'em on /ignore? I can *almost* guarantee he'd rather setup a LE meeting with a group of experienced/respected RPers than a group of spammers. Is that favortism? Yes, however, everyone goes off of what they prefer.



Hidden Resource

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You are one of the major reasons this community is one of, if not, the best in all MMO's. It's with conflicting sad and happy feelings that we see you go. Sadness because the community is losing one of thier own and happyness because we get to see one of your long-term goals be realized. Best of luck to you!



Jacked Out

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Vitamin wrote:
DevilsArms wrote:
Vitamin, you have no idea what i PERSONALLY have done to help find and fix forum exploits, but this isn't the place nor time



DA


Who cares about forum exploits when there are so many in-game? And... did you mean reporting our recruitment thread as fixing a forum exploit? ~LOLZ

Seriously, this game has TWO things going for it. Walrus and Rarebit.

Humm how about unlimited poll voting, able to post in admin forums, able to view secret forums (even after the patch was applied), able to steal a session, able to steal a cookie, remote executable code, sig and avatar buffer overflow and thats just off the top of my head.  That i all found and helped fix.  So don't talk about me what i do.  Again not getting into a flame fight here.

DA

Message edited by DevilsArms on 04/02/2007 13:20:38.


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(( Sits and contemplates the ramifications of this announcment...... **Shudders**  ))






Systemic Anomaly

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Vitamin wrote:
DevilsArms wrote:
Vitamin, you have no idea what i PERSONALLY have done to help find and fix forum exploits, but this isn't the place nor time



DA

 

Seriously, this game has TWO things going for it. Walrus and Rarebit.


Aye, if Rarebit goes...well it's not too hard to work it out, is it?

Sucks to see you go Walrus, we'll see what comes of this...but it's not really hope inspiring.




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Vitamin wrote:

Seriously, this game has TWO things going for it. Walrus and Rarebit.

Honestly, what big important job did Walrus do as Com Rep?

He talked on and on about things most of the time we already knew about.

Oooh, how important.



Systemic Anomaly

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DA, thats great. However lets be honest, how many other forums are out there that have those problems fixed in a timely manner by their staff. And Sony Online Entertainment cant? In no way were Vitamin nor my own words ment to be a slight against you. But I am going to say again, in a spin on what Vitamin said. Forum bugs are great to have fixed, thats wonderful. And just because Raijin was able to fix some normal bugs in a rather -untimely- manner does not qualify him for a community managment posistion. if you refer to my original responce to what Walrus said, I beleive I posted some reasons that actually -disqualify- him.



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DevilsArms wrote:
Vitamin wrote:
DevilsArms wrote:
Vitamin, you have no idea what i PERSONALLY have done to help find and fix forum exploits, but this isn't the place nor time



DA


Who cares about forum exploits when there are so many in-game? And... did you mean reporting our recruitment thread as fixing a forum exploit? ~LOLZ

Seriously, this game has TWO things going for it. Walrus and Rarebit.

Humm how about unlimited poll voting, able to post in admin forums, able to view secret forums (even after the patch was applied), able to steal a session, able to steal a cookie, remote executable code, sig and avatar buffer overflow and thats just off the top of my head.  That i all found and helped fix.  So don't talk about me what i do.  Again not getting into a flame fight here.

DA

Again, who cares? Report something about the combat bug or being able to switch from speed to land a special to power and gain the bonus from that. Get that fixed, and I'll pat you on the back.

Either way you cut it, it's a useless forum where nothing is being fixed and or addressed through it's mean. A forum that was initiated by Joel. Again, if you wish for links and quotes, I will be MORE than willing to provide them.

Kthxbai



Jacked Out

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ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:
Vitamin wrote:

Seriously, this game has TWO things going for it. Walrus and Rarebit.

Honestly, what big important job did Walrus do as Com Rep?

He talked on and on about things most of the time we already knew about.

Oooh, how important.


L2STAYINFORMED

At the very least Walrus kept us informed about what was happening RIGHT NOW and what to expect in the future. Ever send Joel a PM and get a response? ~LOLZ



Ascendent Logic

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Last warning to drop the personal stuff and get back on topic guys. This is not the place to be having these conversations.



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Walrus... I can say that you will be more than missed by the community, and we will definitely miss your infinte presence through participation on the boards and the weekly "Other Sides". Not to mention the sense of humor and good-natured and enthusiastic spirit about everything.

I've gotta back up Trace, though, and say that seeing Raijinn around more often and in a more commanding role is not something I'm interested in. I don't think anything's going to change this fact, though, so I'll deal with it as long as he has learned his lesson about sending unnecessary system messages during LESIG events.

Good luck, Walrus - I wish you well in all of your endeavors, and thank you for the great deal of work and creativity you have put into this game (and hopefully will continue to!)




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