Fatmop wrote:perplexus wrote:Perhaps the problem is controlling the human soul, not memories and synapses. If caged at birth (i.e. the soul knows nothing apart from what it's always experienced) then no problem. But once freed, trying to re-insert that soul is perhaps trickier than.. well, herding cats? I used the term soul as opposed to subconscious thought or other term relating to memory as it's a very difficult thing to quantify, and pretty much highlights the problem the discussion faces when trying to determine whether re-insertion is possible or whether it is all a lie. Come back when you have a concrete idea. A concrete idea? You mean like a concrete theory? For something that ultimately cannot be proven one way or another? Momma says not to reply to trolls, but where's the fun in that?
perplexus wrote:Perhaps the problem is controlling the human soul, not memories and synapses. If caged at birth (i.e. the soul knows nothing apart from what it's always experienced) then no problem. But once freed, trying to re-insert that soul is perhaps trickier than.. well, herding cats? I used the term soul as opposed to subconscious thought or other term relating to memory as it's a very difficult thing to quantify, and pretty much highlights the problem the discussion faces when trying to determine whether re-insertion is possible or whether it is all a lie. Come back when you have a concrete idea.
Perhaps the problem is controlling the human soul, not memories and synapses. If caged at birth (i.e. the soul knows nothing apart from what it's always experienced) then no problem. But once freed, trying to re-insert that soul is perhaps trickier than.. well, herding cats? I used the term soul as opposed to subconscious thought or other term relating to memory as it's a very difficult thing to quantify, and pretty much highlights the problem the discussion faces when trying to determine whether re-insertion is possible or whether it is all a lie.
A faction mate of mine wrote an RP in which he was re-inserted and then, subsequently, removed from the simulation because he saw things and people he remembered (such as me, with my hideous facial tatoos etc..) and even Cypher in the move stressed that he wants to remember "Nothing, d'ya hear me? Nothing!" So I think he's as fully aware of the risks of it. I think the human mind being the way it is, to totally forget something, or to have it actually erased from our minds, is something even the Machines can't fathom or accomodate.
the idea had merrit but as many of us always pointed out to the 1% it was impossible. The mind subconsciously for whatever reason sees the world around it as flawed. This is the mindset and choice that every person of the 1% has made. They have figuratively taken the red pill at this point. This creates the unrest that most feel, the insomnia, visions, the search for the truth and so on. There mind is now working off that subliminal choice and its trying to find out why it thinks the way it does. The awakening procedure is just that. It is the expatiation for the why. In simpler form. You see candy, your mind tells you to take it and eat it so you do. The reason why you ate it is because you like candy.
The only way to diminish this impulse is to overwrite it consciously. To know that you don't want to wake up and that despite how much the world around you isn't real it is still better then what is waiting in the real. However if your memory has been erased then it doesn't know that. All it knows is what its subconscious tells it and it follows that. Again, you see candy but you know it can rot your teach so you don't eat it. If you didn't know it would rot your teeth then you would have still eaten it.
Thus reinsurtion after a memory wipe is impossible.
I do not believe that it is phsically possible for someone to return to the matrix. Zionist operatives seem to be very careful in taking out every bit of machinary out of the body. Now it has been proven that the human body is more flexable and can "bounce" back at a younger age then an older body. It is likely that an adult human body could not survive the strain that there would be with the "re installation" of all the hardware the machines would need to put in
The humans who lost the war had to have that same machinery put into their bodies, to hook them into the original Matrix. There's no reason it couldn't be put back into a redpill's body. Also, one of the Syntax Machine liaisons is supposed to be hooked into a pod in the Machine City, is he not? That would mean the machinery within him had been reinstalled.
But the problem that I like to point out to the Cypherites remains...if you rejected the simulation before, you're likely to reject it again.
Illyria
Also, one of the Syntax Machine liaisons is supposed to be hooked into a pod in the Machine City, is he not?
((If its any consolation, i completed a mission earlier for the machines. Here i met a zionist who was wanting reinsertion. Upon which he was led to an Agent who reprocessed him for reinsertion to the matrix.))
I thought it appropriate to post this on the general discussion board, as the concept of reinsertion appears to relate more to MxO than the movie trilogy. I wanted to ask a philosophical question on the concept of re-entering the Matrix from a redpill perspective. I know many have described the process as simply flying to 01, getting plugged in and waking up as a bluepill. Personally, I would think that once a person has knowledge of what the Matrix is, there would need to be a massive, painful, sometimes fatal procedure to get the body, and the mind(most importantly) to accept the simulation in the same way again. I think the concepts of extraction/reinsertion get watered down as we don't physically see it happen with game mechanics and all - especially the reinsertion bit. With that said, I'd like to see some of your thoughts on the process and the reason.
