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 05/30/2008 15:33:58
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Just ran a Merovingian archive mission where the Merv is trying to figure out why the machines would choose humanity as their sole power source despite being so inefficient, operatives consult the oracle in regards to early machines and what really happened during the first war (since it questions the validity of the Zion Archive files) where she replies along the lines of "not everyone hated the machines for being good at business and it wasnt just business the machines were interested in". This in itself is an obvious allusion to the intruder colony but whats more interesting is the conclusion at the end of the mission after having scanned the 01 Taskmaster's coding...
Early machines around the time of first war were relatively simple, not creative enough to solve problems in unconvential ways. It begins to question the machines ability to have 'evolved' to their current intelligent state by themselves and suggests an early realiance on human beings.
So heres what comes to me: First war sparks, the intruder colony back the machines, theres an agreement made whereby the colony will help further develop the machine civilisation (since they wernt intelligent enough to do it themselves) and work on the technology (or allow controlled access to the already made reversal technology as alluded to in a recent merv crit) to operation dark storm, in exchange the machines are not allowed to slaughter humanity but instead are told to preserve them as a power source sealed within a giant interconnected neural simulation.
And there lies the crux of the theory. The Matrix was developed, or at the very least masterminded, by The Intruders and not The Machines. The Architect, the maker of the matrix, may well have been coded directly by one of the intruder colonists (backed up by the intruders obvious powers over and deletion threats to him).
/discuss and share your own theories.
Message edited by cloudwolf on 07/18/2008 16:35:45.
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 05/30/2008 20:53:18
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I'm not quite sure of that.
A few theories floating in my head:
The Oligarchy, as I'll dub this brand of human, is a cyborg race that chose to surrender to the Machines sometime during or just after the Second Renaissance. As to your theory, Cloudwol(f), I'd say that the original Machines' A.I. had hit that little marker where they began to improve upon themselves; no outside force was necessary or ABLE to facilitate their evolution. Back to the Oligarchy. Possibly the human survivors that the Machines felt had no cause to be killed, and set up their own peace agreement with the humans.
The Oligarchy is in fact a city created by an earlier One (perhaps a Beta One (one of the Ones (too many Ones (too many parenthesis!)) before the Cycle) and kept intact by his sheer ability to manipulate Machine programs remotely, like Neo. This city evolved from that One's children, who shared the same basic abilities, of course slightly mutated with each generation explaining their "incompatibility" with the Matrix. Over time, the Machines grew from frustration over not being able to destroy them to fear of them being able to destroy 01, and relented to a peace agreement, which is itself slowly being strained by current events. Perhaps Halborn is the One that started it, keeping himself alive through his mechanical prowess.
The Oligarchy started as a faction of Machines that split off from 01 and evolved on its own course, using its own Matrix. I was going to say that it became so evolved that it started developing bio-mechanical beings above both human AND machine, but the first sentence is more likely to me.
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 05/30/2008 20:57:29
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The thought that the Machines couldn't evolve by themselves had crossed my mind, and that they needed someone human to code the Oracle. She was programmed to create the Matrix, but it was never said who programmed her. The Machines relied on their system of control to make it look like they themselves had creativity, and were the equivalent/superiors of humans in terms of creativity, or to never even have the thought of "There might be other human colonies" exist in any Redpill's mind. The Machines had the path that all of Zion/The One took to get to where they wanted them to be, so there could be another stable reset of Zion. This way, Zion/The One would never hear of the Oligarch colony.
But I simply don't have enough information to throw a lot of my theories out there.
Message edited by Zudrag on 05/30/2008 23:20:19.
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 05/30/2008 22:20:06
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Vindicator
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wat YOU ARE DEAD TO ME CLOUDWOLF.
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 05/30/2008 23:13:49
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But what about Carlyne? From the clues I have seen from the older cinematics, he is the shadowy figure watching the remote video screens. Both their voices match. He seems to be the smarter of the two. I don't think your theory about Halborn is correct Zippy. Theres more to it. Carlyne, as stated by Halborn, has always been one step ahead. Maybe he is the Oligarch?
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 05/31/2008 00:46:58
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Ballak wrote:
wat YOU ARE DEAD TO ME CLOUDWOLF.
O.o
why? lol.
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 05/31/2008 00:51:36
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Zudrag wrote:
But I simply don't have enough information to throw a lot of my theories out there.
Go for it, wild speculation can be fun ^_^
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 05/31/2008 12:21:28
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Quotes to make note of "The machines' artificial intelligence could be seen in every facet of society, including the creation of new and better AI." - From Second Renaissance part 1 "our information indicated that human knowledge of nanomachine technology was inferior to our own" - CAR80N from these two quotes we can see that Machine AI was allegedly capable of bettering its self and improving thus creating over time a technological evolution for its species all the way to the point where in some areas it had surpassed human knowledge. The General I believe comments on this in his blog that the only thing humanity was able to produce that was worth purchasing by 01 was cinema. And on Machine creativity Rama Kandra's wife as stated by him is said to be "highly creative" the two of them go so far as to create a program by themselves and each and every program we see as well as the machines are capable of showing human emotions through the connects that the words used to define them imply. While 01 may have been "primitive" as far as decisions go they (like us) are capable of improving themselves thus createing a technological evolution that they have had at elast 600 years to improve. They are also able to make the connections bettween actions to understand human emotions so the thought process to create something is something equally attanable.
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 05/31/2008 17:31:02
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cloudwolf wrote:
Ballak wrote:
wat YOU ARE DEAD TO ME CLOUDWOLF.
O.o
why? lol. Old Theory my *CENSORED*. It's pretty much the same thing you said.
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 06/01/2008 01:43:55
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Sorry, i still dont follow. I never said this was an old theory, just a thought i had randomly after running an archive mission =P
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 07/11/2008 15:53:10
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So we come to the realisation that Ouroboros is really just a front for the Oligarchs...
Ouroboros being an electrical goods company specialising in home toasters (i swear i remember reading that somewhere though i cant find the source for the life of me)...
This ties in all too well with the theory the Oligarch are in fact those humans who helped the Machines evolve past their own early self-design limitations, essentially giving them their sentience.
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 07/12/2008 01:07:49
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The Ouroboros Corporation makes robotic snakes and microchips along with being present in every major scientific field on electronics, the guide let us know that in this event.
EDIT: Robotic kittens too xD
Message edited by Synapse777 on 07/12/2008 01:13:41.
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 07/12/2008 01:14:19
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Still, robotics. You get the idea
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 07/12/2008 14:53:51
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cloudwolf wrote:
Still, robotics. You get the idea " /> Machine crit 10.3.2. Just did it, the operator says he thinks he had a toaster from them. 
Which would make the "toaster" name for Machines ironic if the Oligarchs had helped make them what they are today.
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 07/12/2008 15:23:40
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MotorZ wrote:
cloudwolf wrote:
Still, robotics. You get the idea "> Machine crit 10.3.2. Just did it, the operator says he thinks he had a toaster from them. 
Which would make the "toaster" name for Machines ironic if the Oligarchs had helped make them what they are today.
A-ha! Knew i hadn't dreamt it, thanks.
But yeah, the irony would be xtreme. With an x to make it xtra cool. With an x to make it xtra cool. With an x...
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