First off your all delusional if you perceive any purpose in the Cypherite organization or your mixing OOC and IC. Go back and take a look at any Cypherite event after chapter eight. In every single one of them you can replace Veil or Cryptos with an Agent and there would be no change minus the rasta philosophical talk and drastic decrease in /bouncy with "dearie" after every sentence.

The organization has no purpose of its own. it is nothing more then a shell of what it once was and is just a way for those playing Machine to wear bandannas rather than suits and talk to a LE character that use conjunctions. Any "purpose" someone might find is nothing but their own opinion. All this "We hate everything you stand for, we are your opposite" talk is just how YOU want to play it. Not how the story does. Because the story has already made it very clear that the Cypherite org is just gonna be the tag along side kick of the Machine org.

First off your all delusional if you perceive any purpose in the Cypherite organization or your mixing OOC and IC. Go back and take a look at any Cypherite event after chapter eight. In every single one of them you can replace Veil or Cryptos with an Agent and there would be no change minus the rasta philosophical talk and drastic decrease in /bouncy with "dearie" after every sentence.

The organization has no purpose of its own. it is nothing more then a shell of what it once was and is just a way for those playing Machine to wear bandannas rather than suits and talk to a LE character that use conjunctions. Any "purpose" someone might find is nothing but their own opinion. All this "We hate everything you stand for, we are your opposite" talk is just how YOU want to play it. Not how the story does. Because the story has already made it very clear that the Cypherite org is just gonna be the tag along side kick of the Machine org.

GamiSB wrote:

First off your all delusional if you perceive any purpose in the Cypherite organization or your mixing OOC and IC. Go back and take a look at any Cypherite event after chapter eight. In every single one of them you can replace Veil or Cryptos with an Agent and there would be no change minus the rasta philosophical talk and drastic decrease in /bouncy with "dearie" after every sentence.

The organization has no purpose of its own. it is nothing more then a shell of what it once was and is just a way for those playing Machine to wear bandannas rather than suits and talk to a LE character that use conjunctions. Any "purpose" someone might find is nothing but their own opinion. All this "We hate everything you stand for, we are your opposite" talk is just how YOU want to play it. Not how the story does. Because the story has already made it very clear that the Cypherite org is just gonna be the tag along side kick of the Machine org.

I would suggest you go back and look for subtle clues since Cryptos's exorcism. Running Critical missions may enlighten you to the increased depth of the situation which  I feel you overlook.

Like what? I've run them, its still all the same. Cryptos and Veil can come out and say "We're not working for the Machines" all they want but they are still in fact helping the Machines more than they help themselves when it comes to the story. They are doing nothing that the Machine org itself could not do on its own. The goals are the same, the enemies are the same, the only differences between the two are the faces of the leaders. As i said, you can replace any event with Cryptos or Veil with an Agent and you would get a Machine event.

Case in point, there latest goal. Find a way to keep overdrive programs from harming the simulation. Hmm who would benefit the most form not having the Matrix go to hell every time one of the intruder guys showed up?

privaron0 wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

First off your all delusional if you perceive any purpose in the Cypherite organization or your mixing OOC and IC. Go back and take a look at any Cypherite event after chapter eight. In every single one of them you can replace Veil or Cryptos with an Agent and there would be no change minus the rasta philosophical talk and drastic decrease in /bouncy with "dearie" after every sentence.

The organization has no purpose of its own. it is nothing more then a shell of what it once was and is just a way for those playing Machine to wear bandannas rather than suits and talk to a LE character that use conjunctions. Any "purpose" someone might find is nothing but their own opinion. All this "We hate everything you stand for, we are your opposite" talk is just how YOU want to play it. Not how the story does. Because the story has already made it very clear that the Cypherite org is just gonna be the tag along side kick of the Machine org.

I would suggest you go back and look for subtle clues since Cryptos's exorcism. Running Critical missions may enlighten you to the increased depth of the situation which I feel you overlook.

Like what? I've run them, its still all the same. Cryptos and Veil can come out and say "We're not working for the Machines" all they want but they are still in fact helping the Machines more than they help themselves when it comes to the story. They are doing nothing that the Machine org itself could not do on its own. The goals are the same, the enemies are the same, the only differences between the two are the faces of the leaders. As i said, you can replace any event with Cryptos or Veil with an Agent and you would get a Machine event.

Case in point, there latest goal. Find a way to keep overdrive programs from harming the simulation. Hmm who would benefit the most form not having the Matrix go to hell every time one of the intruder guys showed up?

Nicho wrote:

Wixard wrote:

I am your opposite. I hate everything you stand for. I want to see you perish miserably.

 

 

I say no more.

Weren't you EPN? Oh wait...

Cypherite's are loyal to the simulation not the system. Ofcourse if the system has the simulation in its best interests in our eyes were going to work towards it.

You stated that since reinsertion was taken out that the organization lost depth. I fail to see how death threats to Cryptos from his controller Veil partaking in hostile negotiations with Agent Pace or asking for the jack in codes for his Operatives as a price for speaking with the Morpheus Simulcra is being their pawn.

Our organization benifits from amicable relations with the Machines they control both the lives of our families and freinds but also the place we eventually want to go back to if such a procedure could be found although I am not overly hopeful that any technlology could disect and revert the complex nature of the human brain.

We can argue about logistical relevancy at live events all day long. Rarebits a fan of foreshadowing and not spelling out the storyline. Let me assure you hints are there even people like me who disect every little detail trying to find meaning don't even know what they are fully yet but something big is brewing. Case in point the Oracle giving Veil that letter before she was attacked.

The simulation is run by the system. Thus anyone loyal to the simulation is inturn loyal to those running the system and by keeping said system alive are helping those that depend on it and run it. Again, they can say "we don't work for you" all they want but they are still indeed working for them like it or not.

Purpose is created by outside forces creating a reason for being and characters do not make the purpose. It is the purpose that makes up the character which is why we have the Cryptos and Veil of today. But nothing outside of themselves is changing that affects or changes the Cypherite purpose. There is no outside force attacking or guiding their organizations purpose and it has settled on this "We aren't Machinest but we are" story telling we have now. So it goes without saying that the drama Cryptos and Veil partake in or create does not add to the purpose of the organization or any depth to it. All it adds is more depth to the characters themselves.

It doesn't mater what kind of hints you find or events that happen between Crypros and Veil. Unless something comes that affects the Cypherite organization like reinsertion did and that gives them a reason for being that is different from the Machines then they still have no purpose of their own. They are just Machinist wearing bandannas and not suits as I said.

privaron0 wrote:

Cypherite's are loyal to the simulation not the system. Ofcourse if the system has the simulation in its best interests in our eyes were going to work towards it.

You stated that since reinsertion was taken out that the organization lost depth. I fail to see how death threats to Cryptos from his controller Veil partaking in hostile negotiations with Agent Pace or asking for the jack in codes for his Operatives as a price for speaking with the Morpheus Simulcra is being their pawn.

Our organization benifits from amicable relations with the Machines they control both the lives of our families and freinds but also the place we eventually want to go back to if such a procedure could be found although I am not overly hopeful that any technlology could disect and revert the complex nature of the human brain.

We can argue about logistical relevancy at live events all day long. Rarebits a fan of foreshadowing and not spelling out the storyline. Let me assure you hints are there even people like me who disect every little detail trying to find meaning don't even know what they are fully yet but something big is brewing. Case in point the Oracle giving Veil that letter before she was attacked.

The simulation is run by the system. Thus anyone loyal to the simulation is inturn loyal to those running the system and by keeping said system alive are helping those that depend on it and run it. Again, they can say "we don't work for you" all they want but they are still indeed working for them like it or not.

Purpose is created by outside forces creating a reason for being and characters do not make the purpose. It is the purpose that makes up the character which is why we have the Cryptos and Veil of today. But nothing outside of themselves is changing that affects or changes the Cypherite purpose. There is no outside force attacking or guiding their organizations purpose and it has settled on this "We aren't Machinest but we are" story telling we have now. So it goes without saying that the drama Cryptos and Veil partake in or create does not add to the purpose of the organization or any depth to it. All it adds is more depth to the characters themselves.

It doesn't mater what kind of hints you find or events that happen between Crypros and Veil. Unless something comes that affects the Cypherite organization like reinsertion did and that gives them a reason for being that is different from the Machines then they still have no purpose of their own. They are just Machinist wearing bandannas and not suits as I said.

My apologies, I forgot that subtlety is beyond the members of EPN.  As you were. 

Riiiiight.  Hnnnnnnnnnnnggghhhh!

Folks, this was an OOC thread. I really wanted to hear from people about where the Cyph RP has gone and how we might bring it back, so to speak. I really thought the idea of continuing to find a way to get reinserted was a good direction to take. Just because it's not possible now, doesn't mean it's impossible to accomplish.

I guess maybe this is best left to everyone's personal RP, though, instead of the main stroyline.

Your certianly entitled to your opinion but the fact remains idealogicly their are vast differences. Just because organizations work together even for prolonged periods of time does not mean their overall interests and or eventual goals are coinciding.

Look around the papers across the city they say the system is a lie I believe it is myself. I also believe that the reason Cryptos has made efforts to protect our organization is a healthy amount of well earned paranoia aimed at the machines after what they did to him.  You say that the organization is doing something Machinists could easily do our the Machines themselves. In a rescent critical mission it states that The Machines have never fully agressed the Merovingian also given the man he was modeled after I beleive their is some underlying significance for this action. However Cryptos has made it quite clear he has no qualms of directly starting aggressive movements towards The Merovingian and his interests if they are against the interests of bluepills still reliant on the simulation.

Cryptos is doing research to protect our interests not Machines.. he did not ask for Machinist jack in signature codes when he was requested to speak with the Morpheus Simulcra he asked for ours. Speak for yourself I can tell you right now that if the system comes crashing down Cypherites will be the most protected under any circumstance as a direct result of Cryptos and his work.

You also fail to recognize that Veil has attacked Machinists in the past. I believe shes alot less Machinist than you give her credit for her goals are simply put to do what she feels is right. Look at a rescent critical mission with Halborn she took control over the situation and attempted to make content feeling Machine operatives could not do the job properly themselves and she made it very clear she felt that way. Also what about the letter given to her? If she is so loyal to the Machines why has she not shared it?

What differences? You keep saying there are some but what and where are they? The ideals of the Cypherites is for the system to remain peaceful so the blues in it can sleep peacefully. This is the exact same ideal the Machine shares about bluepills and their system. I'm not using time to prove that they work together I'm using logic. You can't have two organizations with the same ideals and claim that one's purpose is different than the other. Their not, working towards the same goal for the same reasons is the same purpose.

Also again Cryptos character and the manor in which he does things is irrelevant to the Cypherite purpose. Just because Cryptos does things the Machines don't, doesn't make the org'r purpose uniqiue. It makes him unique but not the org. You could just as easily write in an Agent saying that it was time they did such and such and it world still work. Also the Machine has gone to war with the Merv and always has done so when he steps out of line.

Cryptos protecting your interests also protects the machines interest. This is the same as the "We aren't working for you, but we are" debate. When your goal helps another's goal you are indirectly helping and working with them. When your goal furthers another's goal you are indirectly helping achieve their purpose as well as your own. Because these two connections can be made between the Cypherites and Machines then their purposes are the same. Same for Veil, her character does NOT make the purpose for the org any different. Only makes her character stand out beyond the Machine/Cypherite purpose.

And I think you have misunderstood me. I am not saying that Cryptos and Veil are just Machinist. I'm saying that the Cypherite purpose is nothing more than a smaller part of the Machine purpose and thus pointless to really continue and hardly worth saying that they have their own. The two leaders are unique to the typical Machinist but they do not change this fact, the goal they work towards is just the same as the Machines. You could remove them from the story and insert in two more agents and have the exact same missions/events just without the feel those two characters give.

Folks, this was an OOC thread. I really wanted to hear from people about where the Cyph RP has gone and how we might bring it back, so to speak.

Ah, well I was reading through and I got the same impression that others must have gotten, which is an EPN member almost mocking the Cyphs on their apparent lack of purpose. In fact I was all geared up to state that Machinists deplore the use of Cypherites by the Machines until I read you latest post.

Perhaps a mention that you wanted this to be OOC and a discussion on ideas for Cyph RP and purpose etc.. in your first post would have prevented the IC posts.

I see what you're saying now though. Did Gray say that re-insertion wasn't possible for anyone or was that comment directed at Cryptos himself?

Again, why waste your time. This is just going to go back and forth about who is right and who is wrong. Just give it up and let EPN conjure up there own opinion. It's great that you want to enlighten everyone about cyph history or w/e but I seriously think your are wasting you time. Also you can't say what cyphs are and are not because not all factions are on the same page.

Because were OOC and any personal bias my chracter might of inserted in here was taken out, and any "secrets" you claim to have can just be found in the Mission archives and event recaps that allows anyone to see for themselves. Not to mention i put in a little less than a year in being a Cypherite when the game went live and do have a Cyph alt so I think I have a grasping of the Cypherite mindset.

Difference in opinions between factions are irrelevant when it comes to the story. They can have them sure, but they need to realize that it is just their opinion and that the story sooner or later may come down and beat them over the head making it clear that their opinion was wrong. See possibility of reinsertion.

Did Gray say that re-insertion wasn't possible for anyone or was that comment directed at Cryptos himself?

Gray said an I quote "There is no such procedure" after Cryptos requested to be reinserted.

Why people insist on making this out to be more than what is said I have no idea. Agents have never been one for masking their meanings. They mean what they say and that's it, no hidden meanings, no vague references.

I continue to laugh that when an Agent or the Architect says something most machinist start finding all these hidden meanings yet when a Zion LO or LE character says something they are strictly taken word for word.

ShiXinFeng wrote:

Folks, this was an OOC thread. I really wanted to hear from people about where the Cyph RP has gone and how we might bring it back, so to speak.

Ah, well I was reading through and I got the same impression that others must have gotten, which is an EPN member almost mocking the Cyphs on their apparent lack of purpose. In fact I was all geared up to state that Machinists deplore the use of Cypherites by the Machines until I read you latest post.

Perhaps a mention that you wanted this to be OOC and a discussion on ideas for Cyph RP and purpose etc.. in your first post would have prevented the IC posts.

I see what you're saying now though. Did Gray say that re-insertion wasn't possible for anyone or was that comment directed at Cryptos himself?

Well, I did kind of feel like since this was in the Character Development forum, and not the Next Ren or General forums, that it would kind of speak for itself. But...yeah.

Oh, and Gray says, "There is no such procedure."