Merovingian house - not a construct

Ghats

I know a lot of people who keep telling me that the Chateau is a construct, but it isnt.

When Neo busts through the door and asks link where he is, Link responds and says " your in the mountains". Operators cannot see into contructs with their equipment. When anyone enters the white halls, the operator does not see it, just like an illegal construct. So if the Merovingian's home existed in a construct, Link would not have been able to see Neo there. The Chateau is in the Matrix, but probably just in an unknown area, outside of Megacity where bluepills are not allowed to go. The Merovingian probably just had other programs make the area unscannable to the Machines and Agents.

**zeroone506**

On the one hand, you could see the castle from outside when Neo started flying.

On the other hand, Link still lost their signals when Persephone lead them from Le Vrai kitchen to the Great Hall. At least he said "not again...". I won't exclude that he maybe just was annoyed that they teleported into an other location and not because they disappeared, I mean Sparks was also irritated by that in the Chinatown mission.

And where we're talking about EtM, the official guide to the game clearly stated that the Chateau was outside of the Matrix.

**Garu**

If the Chateau was not part of the Matrix, then Neo could not have flown due south at a super accelerated speed to grab Morpheus and the Keymaker.

Unless of course we don't see him fly up to a door, walk through it and resume flying towards Morpheus.

*shrugs*

BienTan

Well, I was under the assumption that the reason The Machines kidnapped The Effectuator in this game and interrogated him was for the purpose of being able to find The Chateau so they could strike at the heart of The Merovingian's Organization.

And considering that we know The Effectuator is the "gate keeper" of The Merovingian's Constructs, I would assume that extends to The Chateau as well.

Just a thought, as off-kilter as it might be =)

Alloy

Perhaps the inside of the Chateau is a construct. And if you entered that "castle" that you see on the outside as Neo flies away, it would be an empty castle. The Merovingian's HQ is in actuallity an alternate copy of the inside of that castle that can be exited the same way, but you can enter the castle in two ways. Either normally in the Matrix and find the empty shell of a castle, or use the special construct entrances (like persephone and her key) to enter the Merv HQ version a.k.a. construct. Thats my take.

**zeroone506**

garutchi wrote:

If the Chateau was not part of the Matrix, then Neo could not have flown due south at a super accelerated speed to grab Morpheus and the Keymaker.

Unless of course we don't see him fly up to a door, walk through it and resume flying towards Morpheus.

*shrugs*

Like Alloy said, the Chateau we see in Enter the Matrix doesn't necessarily have to be the actual interior of that castle. You know, the Le Vrai where Neo and Co. spoke to the Merovingian first wasn't the Chateau, it was a restaurant in the city, and the Chateau also isn't where the Twins followed the Keymaker to the freeway SMILEY

But maybe the guide was wrong and the Chateau interior is really in the Matrix, just well protected from enemies.

**Garu**

The chateau is the perfect fortress against the system.

- it's far north of the city.
- it's located deep in the mountains.
- the only way to get there is by door or fly.
- there are no bluepills for an agent to possess.

Even the Le Vrai was in the middle of the city, but loaded with explosives. Any attempt by an agent to infiltrate will lead to a mass explosion killing any bluepill in the vicinity. Thus leaving no coppertops for an agent to hop on.

I stand by what I said earlier, the Chateau does exist inside the Matrix.

ThePigeonKing

I'm pretty sure the Chateau is a construct. The entire Chateau was coded by the Merovingian himself. Thus, construct.

However, I believe you're thinking too far into the "Castle in the mountains = Chateau." Any random door, as we have seen, can lead into a construct when triggered to. Kind of like a programming equation. That castle isn't necessarily a front for the Merovingian's Chateau all the time. As far as we know, when deactivated, that door could lead to, say, an apartment building, or a store.

And thus, this is why the Machines, even if they can locate the castle in the mountains, still can not reach the Merovingian.

I mean, that castle could be GONE now for all we know. We only saw it once.

**zeroone506**

Basically, I agree with you, the interior Chateau doesn't have to be the interior of that castle, but you know, it could be.

We saw the Merovingian open the door without a key and going somewhere that looked like the Chateau (not sure about that), and then Neo opened the door (also without a key) and saw the mountain range. That's kinda controversy.

But then, we saw the inner courtyard of the Chateau in EtM, and that makes me think it is really the castle.

However, the official guide said it isn't the Matrix.

ThePigeonKing

zeroone5069 wrote:
Basically, I agree with you, the interior Chateau doesn't have to be the interior of that castle, but you know, it could be.
We saw the Merovingian open the door without a key and going somewhere that looked like the Chateau (not sure about that), and then Neo opened the door (also without a key) and saw the mountain range. That's kinda controversy.
But then, we saw the inner courtyard of the Chateau in EtM, and that makes me think it is really the castle.
However, the official guide said it isn't the Matrix.

Any interiors don't have to be in the Matrix. Take a lot of other games for example; When you walk into a building, it loads a seperate map that is, graphically, disconnected from all the other maps. At least, those games that are not technologically advanced enough to have exteriors and interiors co-exist on the same range.

If you look into the inner-workings of a game (via emulator, for example), you can switch the different variables so an exit that normally brings you to, say, a sewer will instead bring you into an office building.

That Chateau may be coded to make it seem like it is the interior of that mountain castle, but in reality it's far too large to fit in there (Winding and twisting and endless hallways, endless space, etc). That door could be coded to bring you anywhere.

So, say the Machines destroy that castle in the mountains and level it completely, if possible. It wouldn't destroy the Chateau construct.

**zeroone506**

Sounds convincing. On the other hand, there might be backup programs protecting the castle from being erased so easily. And what I saw in EtM wasn't really "endless", in my opinion it easily fits into a castle of that scale.

What you're suggesting (and I also suggested before) isn't more realistic than opposite version, in my opinion. But yes, if you trust the official guide, you ought to be right.

WGAnubis1

garutachi wrote:
The chateau is the perfect fortress against the system.
- it's far north of the city.
- it's located deep in the mountains.
- the only way to get there is by door or fly.
- there are no bluepills for an agent to possess.
Even the Le Vrai was in the middle of the city, but loaded with explosives. Any attempt by an agent to infiltrate will lead to a mass explosion killing any bluepill in the vicinity. Thus leaving no coppertops for an agent to hop on.
I stand by what I said earlier, the Chateau does exist inside the Matrix.

I always thought that Neo was exadurating (sp) the situation. He didnt say he saw the inside of the walls lined with C4 or something but rather that the code seemed diffrent, like it was lined with explosives, not that he actually saw it.

I think that Le Vrai may have been altered in a way that prevented agents from entering, either by simply not allowing bluepills to even see the resteraunt, there by preventing an agent from spawning in, or scrambled anyones code that was deeped aggressive, like an immune system.

I mean to be honest, would the merv allow himself to be in a situation where he may end up going up in flames with his enemies?

PascaI

Well if the Merv coded that place himself, why didn't he just own Neo? In the third movie, The Trainman pwned Neo in Mobile Ave. He built that place, there was no way Neo could beat him because down there, he was god.

I think the cheatu falls under the rules of the Matrix and wasn't built by th Merv. That's why he didn't fight him himself.

Even though a game guide says it's not in the matrix, for me, there are just too many cons to believe that.
Neo burst through the door of that place and flew to Morpheus and The Key Maker.

I can't remember who said it but i think he's got the jist of it. When that door closes and opens again, it could be just a normal castle. That place could spawn anywhere in the Matrix. So, in a way, it's in the matrix but it's anywhere he chooses it too be, which is why the machines caught that guy to get access to it.

I mean come on, how hard is it to get to that castle. I'm sure Agents could get army air force to fly them over there or something. Just because there are no bluepills in reaching distance of it, doesn't mean they can't get to that castle. But like i said, if it's a moving target, thats totaly differant.

**zeroone506**

No matter how far the archives or the Chateau is from the Matrix, I guess nothing is farther than then Mobil Ave. That's actually the "edge" of the Matrix, where the other exit leads out of it, to the Real. I suppose the Merovingian built it so Machines willing to escape have to go past him. Still, it seems more "out of the Matrix" to me than the Chateau, since that's maybe less connected to the whole simulation system and is just a hideout, whether in that castle or not.

But that's just what I think.

**ShadowReapr**

It's probable it's some of the Effectuator's magic workings. It took some highly technical tools to get us Machines to even detect him, so it's probable that the same can be said for the chateau. As for the undetectability of Neo, Programmer's Access Ways. The Merv's mastered most other forms of the Matrix, so it's logical he mastered that, too (even moreso what with his 'ownership' of the Keymaker for a time).

Hence how the Merv escaped Neo, and why Agents can't storm the castle from the outside. Go figure.