Keep talking. We're here to fight, not debate. When you're ready to do that, feel free to stop hyperjumping. Because until then... you're all mouth. And that goes for all of you.
hear me out.Zion still needs to have machines running and working in order to survive in the caves. Those machines have not been programmed for destruction or fighting or even knowing the difference between an ally and an enemy. They perform a specific function and thats it.Shutting down the Machines is possible without killing all the humans in the pods. We wouldn't turn off every machine that is turned on just because its on the surface of the earth! The machines that take care of the pods and harvest fields are not programmed to fight or know what an enemy is. They are toasters that perform a function and thats it.We would destroy all machines that know the difference between an enemy and an ally and take away control. We would figure out a way to take control over the Matrix and keep it alive until all humans are given the choice of awakening. ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- -------------------------------- To ZION, EPN will help you any way we can. It is what Kid wants us to do, so we will do it. You can call on us for anything, we are just a phone call away. I cant speak for the other EPN Factions but you can rely on Insurgence for backup.
hear me out.
Zion still needs to have machines running and working in order to survive in the caves. Those machines have not been programmed for destruction or fighting or even knowing the difference between an ally and an enemy. They perform a specific function and thats it.
Shutting down the Machines is possible without killing all the humans in the pods. We wouldn't turn off every machine that is turned on just because its on the surface of the earth! The machines that take care of the pods and harvest fields are not programmed to fight or know what an enemy is. They are toasters that perform a function and thats it.
We would destroy all machines that know the difference between an enemy and an ally and take away control. We would figure out a way to take control over the Matrix and keep it alive until all humans are given the choice of awakening. ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- --------------------------------
To ZION, EPN will help you any way we can. It is what Kid wants us to do, so we will do it. You can call on us for anything, we are just a phone call away. I cant speak for the other EPN Factions but you can rely on Insurgence for backup.
Phrack wrote:Keep talking. We're here to fight, not debate. When you're ready to do that, feel free to stop hyperjumping. Because until then... you're all mouth. And that goes for all of you. My darling ones, you are under the blissful misapprehension that this fight will be in the Matrix. But this fight will be in the real world, where your ships will be destroyed one by one and your people eliminated. Your amusing stance of defiance by flagging within the simulation is meaningless.
I think the point is that the Machines *are* going to send their armies. Take a look at Agent Gray's speech to the Machinists on Syntax.
Illyria
War on the Machines is genocide you say? What about six previous times the Machines slaughtered nearly every man, woman, and child in Zion? Was not that genocide?
Now I'm not advocating more of the same. In fact, I would say we should show our attackers mercy that they have not shown us, if that option is available to us. I wouldn't say we're out to kill all Machines. I think that's a misinterpretation. But we are going to fight and kill all those that would kill us, or enslave us, because this is a war, and that's what war calls for. It's unfortunate, but it's the truth. We will use any means necissary to free humanity from its mental chains. And if Machines wish to be Enlightened as well, let them join in our fight for ultimate freedom ((As in Matriculated)), for awakening to the infinity of potential that unfolds before us in this very moment. Free your mind, and anything is possible. The world must not remain as it is today. We can bring it to it's highest brilliance if we are granted the abbility to choose our paths for ourselves, without the limits of Machine control.
EPN want to destroy the System and they are willing to accept Machine civilization, Zion, and the Blue-pills as acceptable collateral damage.
I think the point is that the Machines *are* going to send their armies. Take a look at Agent Gray's speech to the Machinists on Syntax. Illyria
Blackleaf wrote: EPN want to destroy the System and they are willing to accept Machine civilization, Zion, and the Blue-pills as acceptable collateral damage. Did you actually read the OP?
The information taken let's me safely assume that action will only be taken to subdue Zion and New Zion, not destroy them. As Gray said, action will only be taken to disable enemy HoverCrafts that are hostile. Since it's an Agent talking, it's also save to assume that what he said is what he meant. Thus the destruction of enemy HoverCrafts is at this point not an option (self-defense exluded, but who can confirm out there what was self-defense and what not? Cypherites need not apply). Neither is the destruction of both human cities.
Is this a hint of fear that I'm seeing, at the possibility of a Machine strike on Zion or New Zion? Or is it denial?
GoDGiVeR wrote: The information taken let's me safely assume that action will only be taken to subdue Zion and New Zion, not destroy them. As Gray said, action will only be taken to disable enemy HoverCrafts that are hostile. Since it's an Agent talking, it's also save to assume that what he said is what he meant. Thus the destruction of enemy HoverCrafts is at this point not an option (self-defense exluded, but who can confirm out there what was self-defense and what not? Cypherites need not apply). Neither is the destruction of both human cities. Is this a hint of fear that I'm seeing, at the possibility of a Machine strike on Zion or New Zion? Or is it denial? Illyria
Genocide –noun The deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group. Since the the plan was not to exterminate the group then technically no. The whole idea was that Zion continued but nobody would realize the Matrix had been reset. Though I agree it's pretty much borderline. Not so clear cut as the attempted genocide of the Machine civilization during the second renaissance, the plan there was genuine genocide. You seem to see attackers everywhere, please, show me these Machines who seek to kill or enslave you. Elaborate on these mental chains (I assume you mean those who choose to remain in the simulation). Sadly the rest of your post degenerates into nigh-religious zealotry. Enlightenment, ultimate freedom, infinity of potential, downright clap-trap. Who are you to quantify and define such things? Freedom is choice, which is what people had until Zion went and messed things up. "Free your mind" it's rubbish, was Cypher free? What of the others who wish they'd never been awoken, what of the millions (possibly billions) of people who choose, albeit on a subconscious level, not to reject the Matrix. It boils down to a one key point. EPN want to destroy the System and they are willing to accept Machine civilization, Zion, and the Blue-pills as acceptable collateral damage. That is the price they are willing to pay to escape a jail that isn't there. If that is not madness what is. ((In before Spartaaa))
Enlightenment is religious, but it is not zealotry. Freeing onself from the Matrix is a right of passage the represents a freedom from suffering and idenfitication with finite concepts. There is no such thing as a being who doesn't want freedom from suffering, or union with the ultimate nondual nature of reality, there are merely those who are hopelessly trapped in contractions from their own devine light. It is my hope that in the near future, Zion will not be a revolution, but a relgion. As a wise man once said: revolutions divide; religions unite.
And who am I to quantify this?
I am merely an agent of Enlightenment. A humble bodhisattva, dedicated to the Enlightenment of all sentient beings. I beleive this is the central goal of all human endeavors (and humanity is not a mere biological distinction), but some get lost along the way. And truthfully, we're all a little lost, but it is my beleif that EPN happens to be the least lost in these events that have unfolded thus far. Though I suppose only time will tell.
