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VehatOki wrote:
Ok I've been reading this thread and I want to add in my two cents as well. Go ahead and dispute anything I say if you must, I just want this to be out in the open. In the current system, the majority of the time that I have experienced PvPing or dueling with others while using my MA loadout, its just as many have said. The fisrt person to knock in that move with powerless or stunn ends up winning the match because you cant land a hit after that the majority of the time. I cant for the life of me figure out how that can be considered fun and entertaining for those of you out there that claim they prefer the current system. Now, granted that the new system is not necessary and we could go on with the old system which would mean that nobody would have to learn anything new, I believe that while being totally unecessary that the new system is still a good thing. And therefore I fully support it. The main reason I support it is not because I think it should be implemented but because I think it makes the combat actually more along the lines of what it should be. A fight. Not a massacre (its not a fight if one side doesnt fight back, its a massacre). The new system models the real world more efficiently, when your in a fight in real life, its not gonna be that either you hit the other person or the other person hits you. It can be you both hit each other etc... just like in the new combat system. And with all the tweaks that are currently be added in the new system, it also no longer matters who hits the move that causes stun/powerless first. This is why it is more strategic. And this is why I believe it would be more entertaining for those who would actually enjoy being in fights instead of "beatdowns" where you just pummel the other person. Now I know the new system and the current ones both have their pro's and con's and you all have your opinions. And Im not here to change any of that. Im just saying that I myself prefer the new system because its more accurate to how things should be. And thats why I find it entertaining.





Yeah....  Since QA-Update 5 went live i became kinda used with the new system and everytime i log to vector i get more and more sucked of getting stunned-and-killed without a chance to do just one move.

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Yeah the more I get on CR the more I like it. Just needs work. Thats where we come in. It will not get to its full potintial unless we help. The Devs can't do it alone.

 

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    I agree I actually think it has alot of potential.  Yesterday I was pvping in mara for the first time helping people that were the same faction as myself and did all kindsof abilityies on them but none of it did any damage at all.  I am a leval 29 and was fighting only level 50 pvpers.  Yes it was fun but it would be nice to do the same damage as I do to any one else of my own level to someone of a higher level.  I noticed that the only thing a low level can usually do in pvp is res, only and not pvp.  because it doesn't do any good.  Yes there is a pvp server but still what good is it on any server if you can't do anything but look good and do cool abilities that doesn't even scratch them. 
    In the other hand In the test server the pvp balence for a low level is still low and you don't have much of a chance in killing a higher level person but at least you can feel a little bit of accomplishment when you do a litttle bit of damage, and not wasteing your time on the live server.
 
Yes there is some abilities that need a lot of work but we are all here to test this system out and let the devs know what neeeds to be done to fix it.
 
     Personally I also think the live server when it comes to NPC's is set just right.   I hear that alot of you cannot do the missiond on your own and need help sometimes.  Myself have done every single mission on my own set at hard all the time. and haven't had a problem with it.  alot of the times i have gotten killed but it is stragedy that has helped me get through them.
 
As it is in anything there are always good and bad points to everyone in any game no matter what.  But it in the knowledge of these points and the feelings of others that helps us all to improve the game that we play.  It is like the kind of games that we all like to play.  Some of us like to play shoot em up games and some of us hate playing those games.  My self see many different aspects in this game in which there are many different types, such as shoot em up, stragedy, hand to hand and any other type of game out there. 
 
I think the devs are doing a great job in this game.  they are trying to apppeal to every type of gamer and satisfy everyone the best that they can. 
 
    As walrus said they appreciate all of our opinions of ths new CR2.0 whether it is good or bad.  we are the ones that will make this game better for us all.  so have fun and just think of it as a new challenge, to be apart of this game and for where ever it goes.
 
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SOE sucks..... CR2 sucks..MxO used to rock now sucks...........thanx alot for **bleep**ing up the game that ment so much to me SOE thanx alot you dont know what the **bleep** your doing all you do is combat evisions and you SUCK at it STOP SCREWING UP THE GAMES THAT I LOVE SOE GET THE FRICKEN HINT CLUELESS PPL UPSTAIRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 i doubt you even care to what we say do you?


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welll hopefully they wont carw what about what you just said (if they manage to figure out what you just said)



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gunslinga wrote:
SOE sucks..... CR2 sucks..MxO used to rock now sucks...........thanx alot for **bleep**ing up the game that ment so much to me SOE thanx alot you dont know what the **bleep** your doing all you do is combat evisions and you SUCK at it STOP SCREWING UP THE GAMES THAT I LOVE SOE GET THE FRICKEN HINT CLUELESS PPL UPSTAIRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 i doubt you even care to what we say do you?



Are you like... twelve?

Grow up.

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gunslinga wrote:
SOE sucks..... CR2 sucks..MxO used to rock now sucks...........thanx alot for **bleep**ing up the game that ment so much to me SOE thanx alot you dont know what the **bleep** your doing all you do is combat evisions and you SUCK at it STOP SCREWING UP THE GAMES THAT I LOVE SOE GET THE FRICKEN HINT CLUELESS PPL UPSTAIRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 i doubt you even care to what we say do you?


Seriously?


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Was that an Insane Clown Posse sig?  Clowns are bad for you.  You shouldn't publicly admit to listening to that crap.

Now for the on-topic response.  CR 2.0 is actually quite fun and has many improvements over the old system.  I'm sick of hearing people talking about how bad it is when they have spent a total of 5 minutes testing it.

If you know CR 2 well enough to beat me in a duel and still think it sucks, fine, cry about it.  But if I beat you down in 2 seconds because you didn't bother to respec your stats or up your damage resistance, then you still have alot of learning to do, and have no right to spout off about how bad you think something you don't understand is.

This is an open challenge to all whiners.  If you see CrimsonV on QA, bring it, and prove your knowledge of the new system.

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flame at me all you want to
 
i like CR2.0
 
i didnt at first but i gave it a chance the only ones i see complaining about CR2.0 is all the people that have to much power right now. its going to be fun to actually be able to fight everyone fairly instead of these **bleep** i am so much better than everyone i can kill you all players.... we all pay the same amount and we all worked just as hard to get our lvls and our abilitys we should no be based on a number in a roll


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So far imo CR2.0 is an excellent duelling system, however I have severe reservations re real combat situations and currently 'Sneak' requries significant work. For a non-hostile world these are lesser considerations, though not negligible, for Hostile I feel it could be more serious.
 
However regardless of whether we personally feel CR2 is better or worse than what we have, we should not ignore the lessons of recent history. CR2 hit the qa server and 'first impressions' were sufficient for people to vote with their feet and not even give it a chance, even with the most hardcore supporter of CR2 the current interface with its multiple buff activation is in need of attention. This is where the first impression is made and this needs addressing before it hits live, for the sake of the game.



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Well here's the common ground I've come upon for all the CR2.0 haters.

-Hackers arent gods
-Assassins cant rely on bulldogs
-New system is too complex

God forbid we have a game were everyone can win and lose, and oooh no god forbid we have a combat system that makes us use our brains as apposed to the current system were you just simply ran off a simple set of repeating moves depending on your class.



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Kill the game - Blantely its already dead.



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Btw... this is a message to litton in the thread about saying cr 2.0 is **bleep** etc to be honset i dont give to flying **bleep**s what u think about that but really.... look at your sig makes you look like a complete grebby **bleep** no wonder i bet you have no life or anything do you... dirty goth



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AnXieTy762 wrote:

I myself will probably be leaving mxo when this hits live if I havnt left before that. I dont like the new system, I think its over complicated and not enjoyable, that is my personal opinion, and that opnion is shared by many in some shape or form. To all you people out there who reply with "go test it and learn it" your comments are very much so out of place as your are forgeting one thing and thats, its not a question if we can learn it and learn to be good with it, its the simple matter of WE DONT LIKE IT. There are many of us who actually like the current combat system despite a few bugs and problems with it, I for one see no reason to change anything with the current system except to work out a few of the kinks. I for one share the same opnion as the original poster, I think this will kill this game off. There enough players out there who dont like the new system and are wililng to quit when it comes out. The ones out there who like it or who are simply going to stick it out I think will leave shortly after when many of their friends quit out of disliking for the new system, or will quit when there's very low server pops, I think it'll reach the point when people say "whats the point of paying for this anymore when there's no one to play with". Now thats just my personal opinion, just like it is my personal opinion when I say the new system compairs to a pile of steamy horse droppings, not everyone has to agree with my opinion, people might try to argue it, but in the end its still my opinion and no one will alter that.
 
and before someone states the obvious, yes it is on the test server, and is still subject to change, i know and realize that so you may save your breath or in this case keystrokes telling me that.

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key word there is open. Meaning everyone has the right to say whats on their mind. As it applies to this thread and the topic of this thread, you posted nothing that agree's or disagrees with the original topic of discussion except to flame thoes of us who share the same opinion of the original poster. Rather than make an intelligent reply and come up with a list of points and examples of how and why you think CR2 will be better and help save this game rather than kill it, you chose to bump your font size up hit caps lock and essentially tell everyone who doesnt agree with your point of view to *CENSORED* and cancel if you dont like it. Your post contributes nothing and is a waste of space, no one made you read it, and no one said you had to agree with it, and no one said you had to reply to it. Just because you dont agree with something someone says (which is their opinion) it doesnt give you the right to flame them for it.


jonkeppen wrote:

Its too bad most people that come there already have an opinion that it sucks, from some guy that tried to pvp his first minute on the server. He got completely pwnd, and said something like "this sucks im going back to the live server", and never came back. Then he goes on the forums and on the live server and tells everyone how much it sucks.


If your refering to me, which I believe you are since I did send you a tell saying "this is whacked, im going back to syntax"  right after my first time on the test server, I have been back on the test server a bunch of times to test it and try it, I go up to stratford and practice on the lvl 40 npc's up there, and while im not that good with the new system yet, I am still in the learning process, and I am there learning it, but reguardless of my skill level with the new system, I can still think its over complicated and not as enjoyable as our current combat system.



Ok you don't like it, you won't take time to learn it, so you are going to quit the game because of it. And, you think enough people will follow you to ruin this game for good.

HA!

Marketting ...

...so come make your mark on the matrix saga, meet the movie characters and help write the next matrix story. With all new combat system you will be even more dangerous than ever before...

You can count that for every 1 of you that leaves there will be 3 newbs coming to see what all the hype is about. By this summer there will be as many as last summer before the buzz wore off. And, those of us that stuck with it, we will be the demi-gods of this game, pwning scrubs like you all day long. Honestly, I'm glad you and alot of others are leaving, hopefully it will weed out the whinners and the griefers that make games not fun.

So I'll see your mockcry and raise you some <sarcasm>.

It's just a shame that the rollout exploit won't help you win anymore, or that close combat is a do or die scenario, or that you won't be able to just pwn everyone with your perfect transmission. Oh! but wait there is more, no more spy ganking, or MKT pwnshop, and your hybrid hacker/ma loads are pretty much useless now. No! it's a shame that you can't just pwn everyone with every loadout reguardless of your stats, or stack enough buffs on to get un-challenged tactics, yeah that is a shame.

</sarcasm>

The only reason I can see anyone finding this new system "boring" or "complicated" is because it is balanced and fare; something the current live system can only dream of being. Without any doubt this is the sytem MXO needed from day 1, and anyone who can't see that is just not open-minded enough, or too used to exploiting to addmit it.

-Jilted


 

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Lol.
 
With all the crap that's gone off before in this game, and it still being around, I really don't think the CR is going to make it die.  Must be around once a month people claim that MxO is going to die if They do such-and-such, and everyone is leaving for New Game X.
 
I hated it at first too, then went back in and played a bit, found it isn't overly complicated as some say.  Only takes a couple hours and some questions to figure it out.  I am a bit worried about the Vector side of it though, as there really isnt much PvP going on in QA (at least when I log in), not nearly what it is in Live, but I will cross that bridge when I get there.
 
 
 
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