As stated in Machine critical mission 7.1.4, "Veils", the purpose of the Cypherites is to prevent the excessive number of awakenings that would exceed the allowed 1%. Through sabotage and destruction they have performed to the expectations of the Machines, who established the organization. Cypherites have been used to spy on and hinder Zion's operations. Though the nature and purpose of the Cypherites were revealed to the public as a "black ops" of the Machines, their purpose remains unchanged. Even with the war.
So what is their purpose, imo? Mayhem.
Their purpose was not to be reinserted. As we now know "there is no such procedure". That was only a dillusion they created for themselves as a means of reward for their services.
As a machinist player, I'm actually baffled by claims that Cypherites are nothing more than Machinists. That's insane and I'm sure Cypherite players feel the same way. Though both groups work for the Machines, we each have our own exclusive functions.
As stated in Machine critical mission 7.1.4, "Veils", the purpose of the Cypherites is to prevent the excessive number of awakenings that would exceed the allowed 1%. Through sabotage and destruction they have performed to the expectations of the Machines, who established the organization. Cypherites have been used to spy on and hinder Zion's operations. Though the nature and purpose of the Cypherites were revealed to the public as a "black ops" of the Machines, their purpose remains unchanged. Even with the war.So what is their purpose, imo? Mayhem.Their purpose was not to be reinserted. As we now know "there is no such procedure". That was only a dillusion they created for themselves as a means of reward for their services. As a machinist player, I'm actually baffled by claims that Cypherites are nothing more than Machinists. That's insane and I'm sure Cypherite players feel the same way. Though both groups work for the Machines, we each have our own exclusive functions.
Between your comments here, Garu, and Grace's, I think this is going IC in an OOC thread again.
What I thought would make for a good thread is the discussion of why reinsertion is not still a goal of the Cypherites. It is what they were after from the beginning, from Cypher to the Masked to Cryptos before we found out he had been overwritten. My thinking is that just because the procedure doesn't exist today, doesn't mean that the Machines won't work on the issue as a reward for the Cyphs and those Machine operatives that choose it.
No one is saying that the methods or modus operandi of the two groups aren't different; they obviously are. After all, the Cypherite controller is a sadistic, psychopathic murderer. What you are describing is how they function; not who they are.
Here is my example: EPN differentiates itself from Zion through the use of Neo. Zion really could care less about Neo, for the most part, whereas EPN would jump at the chance to get Neo or his remains back. Now that there is a war on, the activities of both groups are similar, but there will always be that extra definition for EPN.
In that vein, my question was, what is the Cypherites Purpose?
Oh, and Grace, if you don't know what the Sleepwalkers have to do with Cypherites, I suggest some research into the history of your chosen affiliation. I do have to take the opportunity to reiterate that the whole Sleepwalker event with their reinsertions blows a huge hole through that "there is no such procedure" thing. Good thing the Piece of Blue Sky arc was non-canonical I guess.
But see that was all before the war. Now no one is allowed to awaken blues so even the Machines are allowed to take whatever steps necessary to keep such from happening and have sot eh purpose in 7.1.4 is completely outdated. The Machines don't need the Cyphs going behind the truce to work for them because there is no truce, they are allowed to go whatever they want against Zion.
The war killed the Cypherites purpose, the machines now cause just as much mayhem as the did Cyphs towards Zion and EPN so that's hardly some similar purpose that only the Cypherites have.
I do have to take the opportunity to reiterate that the whole Sleepwalker event with their reinsertions blows a huge hole through that "there is no such procedure" thing. Good thing the Piece of Blue Sky arc was non-canonical I guess.
Sleepwalkers were never reinserted. There bodies remained on the ship they broadcast from and were not plugged back into the pods. At the end of the event, the feedback caused by the shutting down of all their "systems' and fixing the hack they were using to rob redpills of their powers rebounded onto them. Thus they were still awakened however they could not remember anything and could not do what a redpill could. They then starved to death while remaining jacked in and the rest finshed off by opertives.
Rarebit explained elsewhere in a bit more detail I think on what happened and why it wasn't "reinsertion" but can't remember the thread.
ShiXinFeng wrote:I do have to take the opportunity to reiterate that the whole Sleepwalker event with their reinsertions blows a huge hole through that "there is no such procedure" thing. Good thing the Piece of Blue Sky arc was non-canonical I guess.Sleepwalkers were never reinserted. There bodies remained on the ship they broadcast from and were not plugged back into the pods. At the end of the event, the feedback caused by the shutting down of all their "systems' and fixing the hack they were using to rob redpills of their powers rebounded onto them. Thus they were still awakened however they could not remember anything and could not do what a redpill could. They then starved to death while remaining jacked in and the rest finshed off by opertives.Rarebit explained elsewhere in a bit more detail I think on what happened and why it wasn't "reinsertion" but can't remember the thread.
Between your comments here, Garu, and Grace's, I think this is going IC in an OOC thread again.What I thought would make for a good thread is the discussion of why reinsertion is not still a goal of the Cypherites. It is what they were after from the beginning, from Cypher to the Masked to Cryptos before we found out he had been overwritten. My thinking is that just because the procedure doesn't exist today, doesn't mean that the Machines won't work on the issue as a reward for the Cyphs and those Machine operatives that choose it.No one is saying that the methods or modus operandi of the two groups aren't different; they obviously are. After all, the Cypherite controller is a sadistic, psychopathic murderer. What you are describing is how they function; not who they are.Here is my example: EPN differentiates itself from Zion through the use of Neo. Zion really could care less about Neo, for the most part, whereas EPN would jump at the chance to get Neo or his remains back. Now that there is a war on, the activities of both groups are similar, but there will always be that extra definition for EPN.In that vein, my question was, what is the Cypherites Purpose? Oh, and Grace, if you don't know what the Sleepwalkers have to do with Cypherites, I suggest some research into the history of your chosen affiliation. I do have to take the opportunity to reiterate that the whole Sleepwalker event with their reinsertions blows a huge hole through that "there is no such procedure" thing. Good thing the Piece of Blue Sky arc was non-canonical I guess.
My reply was purely OOC.
In my reply I was mainly addressing GamiSB's remarks about how indifferent Cypherites are in comparison to Machinists. Personally I see them as very different groups and wished to express that.
I completely agree with you that many Cypherites were after reinsertion initially. That is because I believe it is characteristic of a Cypherite to loathe the Real and wish to return to the Matrix. After Gray debunks that many are left wondering what to do. However, they still loathe the Real and that's a key factor that drives them, imo. Even without the reward of returning to the Matrix, they carry on. Well..most of them still carry on.
And that gives you what separates a Cyph from a Mech, aside from objectives of course. Cypherites hate the Real. Their heaven seems to be the Matrix. As a result they lash out, sometimes uncontrollably. Machinists, on the other hand, are completely happy being awakened. They are driven towards the desire of peace between humans and Machines.
Do Cypherites still dream of one day returning to the Matrix? The ones I know do, in spite of everything.
It seems to me that Reinsertion was only their personal motivation for joining the Cypherites. The purpose of the group as a whole still remains to be a deterent for awakenings as intended by Cryptos, who organized them at the wishes of the Machines. How do they deter? By being the angry, destructive, "kill you all" people who we all know and love.
It could very well be that Reinsertion was never promised but the members assumed, just like the players, that such a procedure existed. Who knows.
And that is my 2 cents at the two organizations as a whole based what I've seen.
Too many awakenings, we must monitor and take action against by all means. PERIOD
GamiSB wrote:ShiXinFeng wrote:I do have to take the opportunity to reiterate that the whole Sleepwalker event with their reinsertions blows a huge hole through that "there is no such procedure" thing. Good thing the Piece of Blue Sky arc was non-canonical I guess.Sleepwalkers were never reinserted. There bodies remained on the ship they broadcast from and were not plugged back into the pods. At the end of the event, the feedback caused by the shutting down of all their "systems' and fixing the hack they were using to rob redpills of their powers rebounded onto them. Thus they were still awakened however they could not remember anything and could not do what a redpill could. They then starved to death while remaining jacked in and the rest finshed off by opertives.Rarebit explained elsewhere in a bit more detail I think on what happened and why it wasn't "reinsertion" but can't remember the thread.I remember hearing that, but during the actual event wasn't it broadcast that the sleepwalkers had been reinserted?
Though the nature and purpose of the Cypherites were revealed to the public as a "black ops" of the Machines, their purpose remains unchanged. Even with the war.
ShiXinFeng wrote:GamiSB wrote:ShiXinFeng wrote:I do have to take the opportunity to reiterate that the whole Sleepwalker event with their reinsertions blows a huge hole through that "there is no such procedure" thing. Good thing the Piece of Blue Sky arc was non-canonical I guess.Sleepwalkers were never reinserted. There bodies remained on the ship they broadcast from and were not plugged back into the pods. At the end of the event, the feedback caused by the shutting down of all their "systems' and fixing the hack they were using to rob redpills of their powers rebounded onto them. Thus they were still awakened however they could not remember anything and could not do what a redpill could. They then starved to death while remaining jacked in and the rest finshed off by opertives.Rarebit explained elsewhere in a bit more detail I think on what happened and why it wasn't "reinsertion" but can't remember the thread.I remember hearing that, but during the actual event wasn't it broadcast that the sleepwalkers had been reinserted?*mumbles: "What the eyes read, the mind believes."Same with the Machines intro mission. The agents in the mission say the dude is reinserted (or will be). But they're just saying it. There's no proof.The Architect indeed announced that the guys were reinserted. The only thing I can assume now is that the Architect is a liar. Not very surprising considering he's on the top of the foodchain in his world made of lies.
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Rarebit wrote:
Umm... Now, I may be remembering some of this wrong, but I think I may remember parts of it a little better than some of the speculation that's started in here.I think the "canon" point about Sleepwalkers came up before the Blue Sky event, where we announced that we were doing a side story type of thing for fun for the anniversary, and that players shouldn't be expecting it to be part of the main story.As far as Sleepwalker "reinsertion" goes, don't forget that Sleepwalkers were themselves victims of propaganda. They made claims of forcing everyone back into the pods, or some such, but it isn't as though that actually happened (although their spotlights were beginning to drain awakened abilities away--speed, regen for instance), or that they could have had any real notion of finding everyone's ships, hauling their bodies over to the Machine pods, and plugging them in.Most of the Sleepwalkers died from feedback immediately in the Real. Some didn't die, but were basically stuck since their systems were fried, and probably died when their bodies starved to death. As for what the Architect announced just after the climax of the event, I think it was this (I pulled this quote from the server logs on hm I think Recursion, where a player had reproduced the system message--or what seems to my memory to be a reasonable fascimile thereof--in chat--the server logs I can see now don't actually have the world shout itself (or I'm not finding it right), which is too bad... And I didn't take good logs back then. I'm sure someone here has a screenshot at least.):The Architect: Thank you, humans. The feedback effect caused by your simultaneous destruction of the Sleepwalkers' lights has wiped their system, effectively returning them to bluepill status. Pity that the irony of this will be lost on them."Effectively returning" did not mean actual reinsertion into the Machine pod system. Nowhere in the appearances afterwards by the org leaders, (Pace on Vector, for instance:2006-04-03 00:08:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 Greetings, tesoros! 03-Apr-2006 00:02:49 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:08:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 I am so pleased to meet you here. 03-Apr-2006 00:02:58 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:08:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 Very well, thank you. 03-Apr-2006 00:03:06 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:08:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 Oh my. There there, Aggie. 03-Apr-2006 00:03:21 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:08:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 You have done splendidly, rosapillore! 03-Apr-2006 00:04:11 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:08:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 Thanks to your efforts, the Sleepwalkers are banished from the System! 03-Apr-2006 00:04:39 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:13:01 23 KingHazaa 45882 32476 3 AGENT PACE IS AT CLUB AVALON 03-Apr-2006 00:06:49 2006-04-03 00:13:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 Their drain on the power supply of the simulation has come to an end. We are out of danger once again, thanks to you! 03-Apr-2006 00:05:10 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:13:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 Yes, they had managed to channel a significant amount of power into their spotlight generators. 03-Apr-2006 00:05:34 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:13:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 Ah, of course, Stuza! Good question! 03-Apr-2006 00:05:53 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:13:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 We have already found and patched the exploit they used to achieve this power drain. 03-Apr-2006 00:06:10 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:13:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 The Sleepwalkers will trouble us no more. 03-Apr-2006 00:06:35 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:13:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 There is not much more to know, it seems. 03-Apr-2006 00:06:45 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:13:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 They were redpills, once Cypherites. 03-Apr-2006 00:06:52 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:13:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 Programs? You mean, problems in the code? 03-Apr-2006 00:07:11 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:13:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 No, not like this, thank the Source! 03-Apr-2006 00:07:28 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:13:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 This was a very bad one, and we took it very seriously. 03-Apr-2006 00:07:41 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:13:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 Any unusual elements in the simulation should, of course, be reported. 03-Apr-2006 00:08:03 -5079 -705 148902006-04-03 00:13:02 23 Agent Pace 0 0 0 Something to do with their hacked jack-in devices, Kratos. 03-Apr-2006 00:08:29 or in the "Requiescat in Pace" mission (where it describes how their power drain on the system was cut, their own systems fried, death and misery, etc), is reinsertion indicated. Probably all a moot point really, but I do so hate to see misinformation about the story being spread around without being challenged.
But see that was all before the war. Now no one is allowed to awaken blues so even the Machines are allowed to take whatever steps necessary to keep such from happening and have sot eh purpose in 7.1.4 is completely outdated. The Machines don't need the Cyphs going behind the truce to work for them because there is no truce, they are allowed to go whatever they want against Zion. The war killed the Cypherites purpose, the machines now cause just as much mayhem as the did Cyphs towards Zion and EPN so that's hardly some similar purpose that only the Cypherites have.
I agree that the war made the Cypherites seem less necessary than before. However, in war you still need spies...and meatshields.
I'm confident to say that there isn't a significant difference in their overall purpose(s) but the people that compose the two organizations have very different outlooks and personal objectives.
Garu wrote:As stated in Machine critical mission 7.1.4, "Veils", the purpose of the Cypherites is to prevent the excessive number of awakenings that would exceed the allowed 1%. Through sabotage and destruction they have performed to the expectations of the Machines, who established the organization. Cypherites have been used to spy on and hinder Zion's operations. Though the nature and purpose of the Cypherites were revealed to the public as a "black ops" of the Machines, their purpose remains unchanged. Even with the war.So what is their purpose, imo? Mayhem.Their purpose was not to be reinserted. As we now know "there is no such procedure". That was only a dillusion they created for themselves as a means of reward for their services. As a machinist player, I'm actually baffled by claims that Cypherites are nothing more than Machinists. That's insane and I'm sure Cypherite players feel the same way. Though both groups work for the Machines, we each have our own exclusive functions. Between your comments here, Garu, and Grace's, I think this is going IC in an OOC thread again.What I thought would make for a good thread is the discussion of why reinsertion is not still a goal of the Cypherites. It is what they were after from the beginning, from Cypher to the Masked to Cryptos before we found out he had been overwritten. My thinking is that just because the procedure doesn't exist today, doesn't mean that the Machines won't work on the issue as a reward for the Cyphs and those Machine operatives that choose it.No one is saying that the methods or modus operandi of the two groups aren't different; they obviously are. After all, the Cypherite controller is a sadistic, psychopathic murderer. What you are describing is how they function; not who they are.Here is my example: EPN differentiates itself from Zion through the use of Neo. Zion really could care less about Neo, for the most part, whereas EPN would jump at the chance to get Neo or his remains back. Now that there is a war on, the activities of both groups are similar, but there will always be that extra definition for EPN.In that vein, my question was, what is the Cypherites Purpose? Oh, and Grace, if you don't know what the Sleepwalkers have to do with Cypherites, I suggest some research into the history of your chosen affiliation. I do have to take the opportunity to reiterate that the whole Sleepwalker event with their reinsertions blows a huge hole through that "there is no such procedure" thing. Good thing the Piece of Blue Sky arc was non-canonical I guess.
