[8.2.1] This world is the safer with such programs removed - Recursion - 8/27/07

**Marias** · 08/29/2007 10:22:40

MetaLogic wrote:

GoDGiVeR wrote:
Tytanya_MxO wrote:
Grace of Darkness wrote:
ZeroPheonix wrote:
No action is without consequence. You will pay for your transgression dearly, Sleepwalkers.
Sleepwalkers? please don't associate us with those losers.

Ya we cannot ignore the tremendous differences, the Sleepwalkers had an ambition that history conclusively proved was completely unworkable (although they did get reinserted at least " /> ) whereas the Cypherites have an ambition that history has conclusively proven completely unworkable AND are regulalrly duped into being canon fodder for the machines.
The truth is so very frightening when you are determined to believe the ridiculous, presumebly thats why your operation to discover the truth ended up with an operation to attack one of the only routes available to discover it.

Yeah, Cypherites in general are losers. They cannot live with the choice they made and now want revenge, with the cover of protecting the blues. Pathetic, to say least.

Not everyone was presented with the proper choice, if you know what I mean.

Here's some food for thought: How many known cases are there of potentials who have actually denied the Red Pill when faced with a "proper choice"? Very few I imagine. Every documented case of someone denying that Red Pill when a Cypherite has approached them was either a result of force, or incredibly one sided propaganda. In the end, there is no middle ground. It is impossible to tell a Coppertop, in detail, what awaits him after said choice.

Either you love it or you don't, but the one thing that we all have in common is that insatiable curiosity that will inevitably result in our awakening. Potentials are born, not bred. Your logic, and every choice that stems from this logic is flawed until you accept this truth.

**GoDGiVeR**

Trayen1 wrote:

MetaLogic wrote:
GoDGiVeR wrote:
Tytanya_MxO wrote:
Grace of Darkness wrote:
ZeroPheonix wrote:
No action is without consequence. You will pay for your transgression dearly, Sleepwalkers.
Sleepwalkers? please don't associate us with those losers.

Ya we cannot ignore the tremendous differences, the Sleepwalkers had an ambition that history conclusively proved was completely unworkable (although they did get reinserted at least " /> ) whereas the Cypherites have an ambition that history has conclusively proven completely unworkable AND are regulalrly duped into being canon fodder for the machines.
The truth is so very frightening when you are determined to believe the ridiculous, presumebly thats why your operation to discover the truth ended up with an operation to attack one of the only routes available to discover it.

Yeah, Cypherites in general are losers. They cannot live with the choice they made and now want revenge, with the cover of protecting the blues. Pathetic, to say least.

Not everyone was presented with the proper choice, if you know what I mean.

Here's some food for thought: How many known cases are there of potentials who have actually denied the Red Pill when faced with a "proper choice"? Very few I imagine. Every documented case of someone denying that Red Pill when a Cypherite has approached them was either a result of force, or incredibly one sided propaganda. In the end, there is no middle ground. It is impossible to tell a Coppertop, in detail, what awaits him after said choice.

Either you love it or you don't, but the one thing that we all have in common is that insatiable curiosity that will inevitably result in our awakening. Potentials are born, not bred. Your logic, and every choice that stems from this logic is flawed until you accept this truth.

Veil: Just shove it down his throat.

'nuff said.

Haigen

There no longer is a choice. Everyone must remain asleep. Everyone.

**ChloeAnn**

Haigen wrote:

There no longer is a choice. Everyone must remain asleep. Everyone.

Agreed.

**Marias** · 08/29/2007 11:39:32

Haigen wrote:

There no longer is a choice. Everyone must remain asleep. Everyone.

Statements such as these lump Cypherites into the same category as E Pluribus Neo. You operate in absolutes - Black and White...when it is those who live in the Gray who have always, and will always inherit the Earth. Because of this, it is your destiny to fail. Nothing more.

People such as yourself will not be allowed to deny those still plugged in the chance to achieve absolution.

**cloudwolf**

(( Questions. Is this all the general's sentinals dead now? And what of The General himself? ))

**Shinryu**

Well, at least they aren't pretending they're in it for the good of everyone any more. Gotta give them that much credit, I suppose. *shrugs*

**Cmdr_Dezreki**

Haigen wrote:

There no longer is a choice. Everyone must remain asleep. Everyone.

Keep telling yourself, that, my dear.

Haigen

Trayen1 wrote:

Haigen wrote:
There no longer is a choice. Everyone must remain asleep. Everyone.

Statements such as these lump Cypherites into the same category as E Pluribus Neo. You operate in absolutes - Black and White...when it is those who live in the Gray who have always, and will always inherit the Earth. Because of this, it is your destiny to fail. Nothing more.

People such as yourself will not be allowed to deny those still plugged in the chance to achieve absolution.

You can't have one without the other, dear. You think your ideallistic, gray world exists without black and white?

Itarrot

Because the people who give out redpills most certainly outline what will occur when they take the redpill, leaving the convenient parts of a war, living in conditions even a pig would be disgusted by, constant fighting against a race that we tried to destroy numerous times (for no reason other than our own greed), never seeing your loved ones again, or the fact that you're going to struggle day in and day out just to get by another day.

All I ever hear is this stupid argument that humanity is enslaved, and you need to wake up to a better life.

I'm sorry to inform you that a life of "slavery" in a quasi-paradise (I say this because we obviously can't handle a real paradise, and what we have now is a fairly decent world), is infinitely better for humanity than a life of war, in a post-apocalyptic world where man is forced to live inside of caves.

ZeroPheonix

Haigen wrote:

There no longer is a choice. Everyone must remain asleep. Everyone.

...Pfft. Sleepwalkers, the whole lot of you.

Pathetic.

Haigen

Sticks and stones, love.

**Alphaea**

Eh, I prefer podslime. The General is too resourceful to fall prey to something this simple. Even if he seems like he's down and out you can't underestimate him.

**Nicksie** · 08/29/2007 13:22:05

Hmm I am thinking there are still a lot of commando sentinels out there since there's a bunch out checking out Machine stuff, fields and pods and counting bodies, right now still (I think) and these ones were in the Matrix in a construct SMILEY

**Marias**

Haigen wrote:

Trayen1 wrote:
Haigen wrote:
There no longer is a choice. Everyone must remain asleep. Everyone.

Statements such as these lump Cypherites into the same category as E Pluribus Neo. You operate in absolutes - Black and White...when it is those who live in the Gray who have always, and will always inherit the Earth. Because of this, it is your destiny to fail. Nothing more.

People such as yourself will not be allowed to deny those still plugged in the chance to achieve absolution.
You can't have one without the other, dear. You think your ideallistic, gray world exists without black and white?

To Haigen: The metaphor was used to express the obscenity of adhering to one radical ideal without accepting the fact that there are always situations that fall outside of the boundaries of either concept. Black and White by definition are necessary but by nature, both untempered are entirely incorrect. You need to pull from both. Balance dear.

To Itarrot: "All I ever hear is this stupid argument that humanity is enslaved, and you need to wake up to a better life."? Sweeping generalizations yet again.
1. The Machines are not a race. They are AI in every sense of the word.

2. I enjoy my life unplugged more than I'll ever be able to articulate.

3.Tell me for a minute that you didn't have that same fit of joy on your first successful hyperjump. Tell me that if you went back into the Matrix with the knowledge that you have now, your abilities stripped from you, that you wouldn't feel completely and utterly crippled. Even if you pushed your body to the farthest limits that the Machines would legally allow for a Coppertop, you would never again feel the sense of utter physical and mental acuity that we pull from in this state.

4. I don't know about you, but I don't live in a cave. You really should find a better Real Estate Agent.