Stop the presses, Sati has a purpose?

**cov**

Hang on just one gosh-durn minute, now I'm confused. I thought the whole reason she was smuggled into the Matrix via the Merovingian was because she had no purpose in the Machine world and thus faced deletion. Now we're being told that she actually has a function: improving the efficiency of power production by bluepills. If she has a function, why was she threatened with deletion in the first place?

Help me out here?

**Othinn1**

I believe it's just a side effect of her sunrises that the Machines see as being beneficial. Also, according to Pace in the Sentinel, they're not 100% sure it really is increasing power output.

"This benefit obviously should be preserved, if true. No consistent measurements without interfering factors are available."

Sent

My understanding on this was that yes, when Sati was smuggled in she had no purpose at all. This is in contrast to all the other programs who are created with a specific, predetermined purpose in mind.

Remember that Sati's "mother" Kamala was a "highly creative" interactive software programmer. Also recall that Sati was supposedly created out of love. When she came to the Matrix, the Oracle taught her that "cookies need love like everything does". Also just as Neo had eaten the Oracle's cookies before he became "the One", so too did Sati partake of those elusive cookies. It seems that by the time the Matrix was Reloaded and the truce began, Sati had found something she liked to do...making a beautiful sunrise. It turns out that since this made people feel all lovely and warm inside, it did end up serving a purpose that benefited everyone after all, even Exiles and Machines.

**cov**

So Sati always had the power to manipulate the illusion of the Matrix, but the beneficial applications of this capability were unforeseen by her parents and/or the Source? Because if Ramakandra and Kamala knew that Sati had a capability that would serve the Machine world, they would have no reason to believe that she would be deleted. They would have no reason to smuggle her into the Matrix in the first place.

I guess that's plausible, but it strikes me as odd that Sati's parents simply overlooked a purpose for their new program to justify her existence in the Machine world (I can't imagine any parent not doing absolutely everything to avoid permanent separation from their child - particularly one that was created out of love). So assuming they tried to figure out some way to justify Sati's existence, this beneficial application just didn't occur to them? (Doh. Apparently Kamala was not "creative" enough.)

Unless . . . and I'm just thinking out loud here . . . someone deceived Sati's parents. Someone who understood Sati's powers better than her parents did and saw her as a highly valuable commodity that needed to be extracted from the control of the Machine world. Perhaps Kamala and Ramakandra had an inkling that Sati might be able to serve the Machine civilization, but this certain someone would have an incentive to downplay the value of Sati's power in the Machine world, and persuade Kamala and Ramakandra that Sati was in grave danger of deletion.

Mmmmm, now who could that someone be?

Sent · 01/30/2007 12:12:29

Don't think so...the machine world seems to operate more like communism than the kind of system you're familiar with living in. You don't really get to choose what you want you to do, for the sake of efficiency everyone is pretty much told, "this is what you will do for work for the rest of the your existence or until you are replaced". So really the Oracle did help to save Sati from deletion, since she was concieved between Rama and Kamala for no other purpose than that it felt really good. Once the other machines became aware of her existence, they would check their records and find that she had no purpose determined by machine administration, and she was be ordered to return to the Source for deletion.

**cov**

I see what you're getting at - in the Machine world, nothing is created for creativity's sake, and the default protocol is that any program that is not immediately utilitarian will be deleted.

At the same time, I would imagine that the Machines' preference for efficiency would override any default presumptions such that - assuming Sati's parents knew about and made a case for the beneficial applications of Sati's otherwise frivolous programming - the Machine world would make an exception and accommodate Sati. I mean, it certainly seems that the Machines are now highly interested in rescuing her (and not just deleting her) since it's become evident that she might serve some purpose after all. What's to say they wouldn't have considered this at the front end, before she fled for the Matrix, if they had been made aware of it?

If that's the case, it still seems a little odd to me that (1) Sati's parents/programmers didn't know about or appreciate the significance of Sati's programming, and (2) they didn't try to exploit that significance to keep her with them in the Machine world. Unless there were some other forces in play that would have interfered (the Oracle?) that we don't necessarily know about.

Sent

As Rama Kandra said, "I know only what I need to know". He knew that by the machine rules, any program without purpose would be deleted. Sati had no purpose at the time. Therefore, Sati was in a great danger of being deleted. Machine society does not have any mechanism for "helping creative young programs find their place in the world"...lol.

Deus: "We don't need you!"

Sati: *cries*

Oracle: Here, have a cookie.

Sati: Yay! *makes the sunrise*

Pretty simple I think.

**MatrixRefugee**

Based on speculations I've had since I first saw Revs, and possibly confirmed by the article in the right-hand column of the new Sentinal issue, my guess is that Sati is a climate control program of some sort or at least she has the skills of one, which just need to be developed. Considering how much climate can affect a world, she's potentially a lot more powerful than we've probably been speculating. Even if all she can do is manipulate the sunrise, that's a lot there. Think of how the sunlight affects the world: Not enough sun, and your food crops don't grow well, too much and they wither from lack of rain. No wonder the General sent his goons to snag Sati: control the climate or the programs that can influence it, and you can most likely control the simulation.

WGAnubis1

I think Sati's purpose just wasnt clear cut. IE she wasnt specialized to the point that her purpose was obvous to everyone so the machines just assumed that it would be easyer to get rid of her then let her try and find her purpose one day.

Iris92 · 02/02/2007 21:19:57

In Soviet Matrix, programs talk down to YOU!!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist. But seriously though. Sunrises tend to make people feel all warm and fuzzy inside. That most likely effects their output, but in the machines view, and in their general behavior. Perhaps after the reloading of the Matrix, she discovered a talent she did not previously possess, the manipulation of the sunrise? Perhaps the Reloading gave her a purpose, so she would be safe. Certainly something I could see Neo doing. Plausible?

Or perhaps her purpose was defined, but simply seen as too trivial by the Source/machines. Sunrises have no effect on programming, thus they may see it as an unnecessary waste of data.

PascaI

Something tells me Sati has a purpose far greater than making a pretty sunrise every 7 days.

WGAnubis1

PascaI wrote:

Something tells me Sati has a purpose far greater than making a pretty sunrise every 7 days.

Maybe, maybe not. Its not hard to accept the idea that she would only be able to do that. As the oracle put it, there are programs watching over everything, even the most insignificant things imaginable that is taken for granted in the matrix.

PascaI

The Oracle said something about Sati in ETM, i forget what, but it was something like: "The child is important in both worlds". Give it 5 minuets and some smart *CENSORED* will correct me.

**zeroone506**

It was "for the future of both worlds", n00b. ;)

**Illyria22**

Sounds like Sati has some emergent properties that neither her parents or the Machines were aware of...and now it seems that she's gone from an exile to a program with a purpose.

I know that some of my fellow Machinists won't agree with me, but I hope this could be the beginning of the Machines being less harsh to their own kind -- less willing to simply delete a program that appears to have outlasted or outgrown its purpose.

Illyria