Cervacius wrote:

I know it's not real, considering it wasn't the W brothers intention for the Oligarchs to exist...

I tend to see it in a different way. For me Rare's story is canon and as real as Wachowski's one. But of course, it's just my personal opinion. 

Who did Morpheus attack on 12.2?
and...

" have to fight og subs. Gray-suited "clerk" programs."
Now I wonder how those would look like...

so am i reading that right you would have had a player or lesig player as trinity at the end when the merge? 

nubious81 wrote:

so am i reading that right you would have had a player or lesig player as trinity at the end when the merge? 

Probably would've been done in a mission or permanently available scripted world event so people got to be the "everyman" that saved the world as opposed to a specific player who got all the fame.

deimoslvov wrote:

Cervacius wrote:

I know it's not real, considering it wasn't the W brothers intention for the Oligarchs to exist...

I tend to see it in a different way. For me Rare's story is canon and as real as Wachowski's one. But of course, it's just my personal opinion. 

Remember the bros supposedably O.K'd the storyline up to and including Chapter 9. That includes the Oligarchs and their background.

The same can't be said for Neo/Trinity though

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Oh and my own take on Neo/Morpheus' survival is to just leave it delightfully open ended. Just because Rare's "line of thought" was Morpheus was actually shot dead and the Machines actually recycled Neo doesn't mean it ever got written in stone. And now that it's all over, we have the advantage of filling in the gaps for ourselves.

My own little fate of Neo I like to believe in? Some exile contact mission, somewhere, actually has some researchers suggest Neo may well have become integral to the code of the Matrix in someway following his showdown with Smith, pieces of his Program (which convieniently coinsides with Rare's Neo/Trinity being inherently programs theory) within everything.

Not only is this a cool tribute to the character but kind of fits in with the reappearence of the Smith Virus (he was spread wide into the simulation at large, only to have his will for veagence bring him back together again).

Not to mention it'd would've made for lovely poetic ending to Trinity and the reset of The Matrix come 14.2. As she stands in the golden room at the source's center she senses Neo all around her and realises that it's her turn to sacrifice herself, as he did, for the greater good. It is a humbling moment as she turns to the player with an outstreched hand. She is ready to join Neo in the ether of the Matrix, two programs who were once organic forever intertwined with the worlds which they fought so hard to protect.

Well, I meant that more of a "when the Wachowski's wrote the Matrix, there were no Oligarchs."

Cervacius wrote:

Well, I meant that more of a "when the Wachowski's wrote the Matrix, there were no Oligarchs."

In the same way when the Wachowski's wrote The Matrix there was no Reloaded or Revolutions. Exiles, The Cycle of The One, Deus Ex Machina and the Machine City, the One's powers being projected into the real. None of it.

But no, I agree with you, it's fun to see stuff written that tries to enhance original source material. Much like the PoTC films ( except they openly admitted they didn't envision a Trilogy, unlike the Bros. )

cloudwolf wrote:

Cervacius wrote:

Well, I meant that more of a "when the Wachowski's wrote the Matrix, there were no Oligarchs."

In the same way when the Wachowski's wrote The Matrix there was no Reloaded or Revolutions. Exiles, The Cycle of The One, Deus Ex Machina and the Machine City, the One's powers being projected into the real. None of it.

Yes, that is all stuff we look back on the Matrix 1 and rethink it, much like the Oligarchs will make me watch The Second Renaissance and rethink it.

Hrm... I guess you've convinced me in taking this story as real and applicable to the films.  :)

Cervacius wrote:

cloudwolf wrote:

Cervacius wrote:

Well, I meant that more of a "when the Wachowski's wrote the Matrix, there were no Oligarchs."

In the same way when the Wachowski's wrote The Matrix there was no Reloaded or Revolutions. Exiles, The Cycle of The One, Deus Ex Machina and the Machine City, the One's powers being projected into the real. None of it.

Yes, that is all stuff we look back on the Matrix 1 and rethink it, much like the Oligarchs will make me watch The Second Renaissance and rethink it.

Hrm... I guess you've convinced me in taking this story as real and applicable to the films. 

*cheers*

Okay, I've read this and there's something I really don't get:

Mauser was a freeborn human with no jacks.  Therefore, there's no way that digital information could be forced on him.  How was Danielle Wright able to overwrite him and put her 'essence' into his body?  I'm really confused on this one.  Even if she did do that, how was she able to jack him in?  Even if she had his body, he still didn't have jacks.

Fen wrote:

Okay, I've read this and there's something I really don't get:

Mauser was a freeborn human with no jacks.  Therefore, there's no way that digital information could be forced on him.  How was Danielle Wright able to overwrite him and put her 'essence' into his body?  I'm really confused on this one.  Even if she did do that, how was she able to jack him in?  Even if she had his body, he still didn't have jacks.

Time Travel.

XD

Seriously though, I would have said that it was a proxy of some sort to keep her continued existence hidden from everyone until she actually returned to the Matrix via Carylne's interface.

Because to be entirely honest, if she had a sure-fire means of possessing any body that she wanted, she wouldn't really have needed the BIP, aside from the limitless power it would give her in the Matrix.

Rarebit wrote:

14.1 - 9/10/09
ogs in the Matrix, Machine city
sky whiteout(?)
epn releases trinity into network
battle in mainframe approaching source (gold hallways)
machines can't remove og root

Can't wait for this part, blinding white sky?

Gerik wrote:

Rarebit wrote:

14.1 - 9/10/09
ogs in the Matrix, Machine city
sky whiteout(?)
epn releases trinity into network
battle in mainframe approaching source (gold hallways)
machines can't remove og root

Can't wait for this part, blinding white sky?

...Can't wait for the part that'll never happen?

Garu wrote:

Fen wrote:

Okay, I've read this and there's something I really don't get:

Mauser was a freeborn human with no jacks.  Therefore, there's no way that digital information could be forced on him.  How was Danielle Wright able to overwrite him and put her 'essence' into his body?  I'm really confused on this one.  Even if she did do that, how was she able to jack him in?  Even if she had his body, he still didn't have jacks.

Time Travel.

 

XD

Seriously though, I would have said that it was a proxy of some sort to keep her continued existence hidden from everyone until she actually returned to the Matrix via Carylne's interface.

Because to be entirely honest, if she had a sure-fire means of possessing any body that she wanted, she wouldn't really have needed the BIP, aside from the limitless power it would give her in the Matrix.

You both suck.

Procurator wrote:

Thankfully, Rare's just explained the Mauser issue. It was a fault on his part.
http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/...578#36300540779

Given that it was a genuine error, I'm willing to accept an explanation that didn't involve jacks. Whether someone will try to explain it fully or not, I don't know. But I don't think it's too critical, not with all the other human-Machine-program interface plot points going around.

Procurator wrote:

Garu wrote:

Fen wrote:

Okay, I've read this and there's something I really don't get:

Mauser was a freeborn human with no jacks.  Therefore, there's no way that digital information could be forced on him.  How was Danielle Wright able to overwrite him and put her 'essence' into his body?  I'm really confused on this one.  Even if she did do that, how was she able to jack him in?  Even if she had his body, he still didn't have jacks.

Time Travel.

 

XD

Seriously though, I would have said that it was a proxy of some sort to keep her continued existence hidden from everyone until she actually returned to the Matrix via Carylne's interface.

Because to be entirely honest, if she had a sure-fire means of possessing any body that she wanted, she wouldn't really have needed the BIP, aside from the limitless power it would give her in the Matrix.

You both suck.

Procurator wrote:

Thankfully, Rare's just explained the Mauser issue. It was a fault on his part.
http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/...578#36300540779

Given that it was a genuine error, I'm willing to accept an explanation that didn't involve jacks. Whether someone will try to explain it fully or not, I don't know. But I don't think it's too critical, not with all the other human-Machine-program interface plot points going around.

Totally did not read that.  Thanks, Procurator!

So, basically, 'program' Wright found her way into the Mjolnir II system, then when the virus hit and fried the system, she jumped out as an electrical current, shocked Mauser, and took him over thataway.