History is History, it's gone done, finished. Strange you would say that since you first brought up post history. Please at least try to be consistent here so we can stay on track.you've recently went against the forum rules, I wouldn't say that a few hours is history. It's what I was, past tense, who I was, who I am and what I will be are 3 completely different things. Also my English is sophisticated enough to know what arbitrary means, plus thats a personal attack on someone, someone being me. The mods do not make random decisions on punishments Twaggy gave you a list, I think what Twaggy meant by irrelevant was off topic, which is not arbitrary any dimwit can identify an on topic post from an off topic post at which the post is usually deleted, if a post has gone way too far, and 3 posts can make a thread go off topic, even with one person saying Mudkipz. Telling someone to look up arbirtary is not an attack. And the rest of that is just plain silly and I dount you even believe it. One arbitraily (unreported) post should not kill a thread.it's an attack because you're insinuating that I don't know what arbitrary is, if I didn't know what it was I would have looked it up myself, I wouldn't need you to tell me to do so, therefore its an attack. I certainly believe it, I am an admin on the forum at my work and I've been a gaming forum/community forum. I've also moderated a few other forums, the rules on this forum are simple and clear and it's very simple, and not as enforced as others I've seen. One post doesn't kill a thread, hopefully if it's reported, the mod will delete it before it gets seen, otherwise it can start off a chain reaction, whereby others start posting off topic, after a while it can head onto pages of irrelevant off topic discussion. Also if the thread is going against SOE's TOS I think the mods are instructed to move it to a seperate hidden forum for the admins to look at if there is any action that needs to be taken because you signed or your guardian signed an agreement which you will follow the TOS.Extremely insulting is against the forum rules and against SOE's TOS, doing so can result easily in a suspension or ban. Exploit threads are to be discussed through the official CCR channel, even when arguing against a decision.You completely missed the point, again. It's getting to be a difficult to have to break everything down to you.The point? the point is you said that "unless the mod knows the player right?" Well there are many mods, and the admins are on from time to time, you're saying that certain people are friends with ALL the mods? it would get removed regardless. Nobody knows the forum mods, there isn't a player ingame called Juryman, or Arcane. It is very rare for them ever to have a "laugh" with the community and so you don't know them very well. If they did reveal themselves to someone, they are potentially risking a permanent ban from all SOE games. Something I wouldn't be prepared to put myself into.And that's the problem, we should know who they are. But more importantly, they shouldn't even be mods. As usual the rest of your post completely misses the point.again you like the term, "completely misses the point" you said that because they are players only their friends will know the jokes? and that the mods treat people who don't know their jokes differently and they should treat everybody the same. Ok well thats me trying to understand what you put in your last post, I think I'm missing the point because you aren't explaining very well is all. Anyway I'll take that as to be that players aren't being treated all the same. Thats simple, because each situation is different. Because everybody is different, there are different circumstances which make different outcomes.
History is History, it's gone done, finished.
Strange you would say that since you first brought up post history. Please at least try to be consistent here so we can stay on track.
you've recently went against the forum rules, I wouldn't say that a few hours is history.
It's what I was, past tense, who I was, who I am and what I will be are 3 completely different things. Also my English is sophisticated enough to know what arbitrary means, plus thats a personal attack on someone, someone being me. The mods do not make random decisions on punishments Twaggy gave you a list, I think what Twaggy meant by irrelevant was off topic, which is not arbitrary any dimwit can identify an on topic post from an off topic post at which the post is usually deleted, if a post has gone way too far, and 3 posts can make a thread go off topic, even with one person saying Mudkipz.
Telling someone to look up arbirtary is not an attack. And the rest of that is just plain silly and I dount you even believe it. One arbitraily (unreported) post should not kill a thread.
it's an attack because you're insinuating that I don't know what arbitrary is, if I didn't know what it was I would have looked it up myself, I wouldn't need you to tell me to do so, therefore its an attack. I certainly believe it, I am an admin on the forum at my work and I've been a gaming forum/community forum. I've also moderated a few other forums, the rules on this forum are simple and clear and it's very simple, and not as enforced as others I've seen. One post doesn't kill a thread, hopefully if it's reported, the mod will delete it before it gets seen, otherwise it can start off a chain reaction, whereby others start posting off topic, after a while it can head onto pages of irrelevant off topic discussion. Also if the thread is going against SOE's TOS I think the mods are instructed to move it to a seperate hidden forum for the admins to look at if there is any action that needs to be taken because you signed or your guardian signed an agreement which you will follow the TOS.
Extremely insulting is against the forum rules and against SOE's TOS, doing so can result easily in a suspension or ban. Exploit threads are to be discussed through the official CCR channel, even when arguing against a decision.
You completely missed the point, again. It's getting to be a difficult to have to break everything down to you.
The point? the point is you said that "unless the mod knows the player right?" Well there are many mods, and the admins are on from time to time, you're saying that certain people are friends with ALL the mods? it would get removed regardless.
Nobody knows the forum mods, there isn't a player ingame called Juryman, or Arcane. It is very rare for them ever to have a "laugh" with the community and so you don't know them very well. If they did reveal themselves to someone, they are potentially risking a permanent ban from all SOE games. Something I wouldn't be prepared to put myself into.
And that's the problem, we should know who they are. But more importantly, they shouldn't even be mods. As usual the rest of your post completely misses the point.
again you like the term, "completely misses the point" you said that because they are players only their friends will know the jokes? and that the mods treat people who don't know their jokes differently and they should treat everybody the same. Ok well thats me trying to understand what you put in your last post, I think I'm missing the point because you aren't explaining very well is all. Anyway I'll take that as to be that players aren't being treated all the same. Thats simple, because each situation is different. Because everybody is different, there are different circumstances which make different outcomes.
It just seems that there are too many moderators for a small community- Almost as if they have to 'qouta-fill' a certain amount of activity in a day. SOE doesn't pay player moderators, which is a bonus for the company, I guess.
I've never really had a problem with players being mods. The only problem I had, was when we were lied to and told that we didn't have player moderators. On the old Lith boards, mods were players and their identities were known. When we switched to the SOE forums, we had "new" moderators that Walrus said were not players, until it was revealed that they were. (And then Walrus' post where he told us that we didn't have player moderators mysteriously dissappeared)
The fact that moderators are players has never bothered me. It's the issue of HOW a moderator is selected that might be questionable. We have no idea on how these moderators are selected, and for what reason. Also, there have been some VERY questionable selections in the past, such as Enigma.
If the person who is selected as a moderator can be fair and not biased, then I don't have a problem. It's also important, in my opinion, that a moderator realizes that they're a part of the community, and not a tool of SOE. The goal of these moderators should be to help make the community better, not just silence the opinions of SOE that SOE does not like to hear, or from people that SOE does not like to hear from.
I think it would be quite different if the Moderators were openly known to the community, perhaps even elected. For instance, imagine if someone who wanted to become a moderator had to post a thread asking for wether or not people would be happy to be moderated by that someone. There are probably reasons why it isn't done that way but I feel it would solve some of the problems we seem to be experiencing.
Couldn't that be perceived as just another form of popularity contest?
I like to believe that the moderators are selected for what they are or aren't doing on the forums and for their potential contributions instead of just who they know. Maybe I'm wrong, but I like to think innocent until proven guilty.
I say no to player mods.Personal vendetas and such have/will continue to cause controvesy on the boards with posts and entire threads going walkies. Mind you who else is gonna moderate the boards lol
DeadCert wrote:I say no to player mods.Personal vendetas and such have/will continue to cause controvesy on the boards with posts and entire threads going walkies. Mind you who else is gonna moderate the boards lolIndeed.
