Assassin over powered!!

**MxOElliMann**

Trex9 wrote:

ElliMann wrote:
OMG The assasin was SUPPOSED to be overpowered! I mean, it's wasn't supposed to be easy to take him out!

...now's your chance to back out of this thread and not come back.

Becooouuuse....?

**Trex9**

aside from not reading any of this topic but posting based off of the title, and making youself look like an idiot, you should leave because I just don't like your attitude.

You had your chance. Now leave the internet.

Makablesdinger

Trex9 wrote:

ElliMann wrote:
OMG The assasin was SUPPOSED to be overpowered! I mean, it's wasn't supposed to be easy to take him out!

...now's your chance to back out of this thread and not come back.

Assassin is supposed to be powered high! Heck I think Spin Throw should
do more damage! YOU'RE THROWING THE PERSON BY THEIR NECK! IT SHOULD DO
A 1 HIT KILL! The assassin moves are devastating and that makes perfect
sense.

1) You have to be sneaking to use it, which means you get 1 or 2
attacks before the hackers with the area effect attacks start killing
you.

2) Assassin is supposed to be good, as EliMan wrote. Bulldog smashes
your face into the hard pavement, yet you think actual people can walk
away from that without being hurt at all.

All the abilities are fair...you need to learn how to counter them better.

**Trex9**

this thread is talking about the Assassin discipline of skills.

Ellid00d is talking about The Assassin LET character.

Charlenna

The Assassin tree is and always has been just lesser form of
the Hacker
tree, wouldn't be much of a problem if the abilities to defend against
it wasn't already broken. Test it out sometime, get your Sneak Attack
Detection up to 90%, and you will find you'll block only 2, if you're
lucky maybe 3
stealth attacks out of 10. But, the complaints about the recharge for
the abilities are nonsensical, considering that only the attack you
just used takes awhile to recharge, the others no time at all, hence
why an assassin doing the Topsy Turvy, Reverse Bulldog, Bulldog (then
Neuro Dart if target is still alive), and if the target is still
actually alive - finish off with Punt, and do this under 30-40 seconds.
In a straight fight MAs struggle to do this to other MAs, but because
the *CENSORED* damage of Bulldog, it's very possible for an assassin to
do so. The stun and pacify effects immediately eliminates the chance
for anyone to defend, sense Sneak Attack Detection is just another
broken combat system - no one can defend against the stealth attacks
that cause those effects. But even if that wasn't it, it wouldn't solve
much of
any problems because of the Enrage/Powerless being broken, the roll out
exploit, and the roll out timer, the combination of which only adds
more problems to the mass.

It's no different with Hacker, it wouldn't be much of a problem if the
debuffs didn't last anywhere from 30 seconds to 2 minutes, a laymen can
tell that's just insanely overpowered while being to already do 700-900
dmg with each attack. But this would all be negated if viral deflection
wasn't so random, and there wasn't the exploit for Hackers to bypass
viral deflection, and if viral resistance actually did what it was
supposed to do which is reduce the debuff timers and viral damage
inflicted upon you. But they don't, they too are just another broken
combat system. And if you can bring them into IL, you run into the same
problem as you do with the assassin, doesn't really ever matter because
of Enrage/Powerless being broken, the roll out exploit, and the roll
out timer.

On top of which the same can be said about MKT as is said with Hacker
and Assassin, and looky there, you have all 3 easy mode classes, and
each just happens to be the most utilized in PvP, surprise surprise :smileytongue:

Message Edited by Charlenna on 11-05-2005 04:17 AM
Message edited by Charlenna on 11/05/2005 04:17:45.

0Carlos0

i cant complain, i am pure MA :smileyhappy:

i think of myself as matrial artists assassin, i load all my ma and sneak lol it works :smileyhappy:

Makablesdinger

0Carlos0 wrote:

i cant complain, i am pure MA :smileyhappy:

i think of myself as matrial artists assassin, i load all my ma and sneak lol it works :smileyhappy:

Thats
a pretty good idea. A hacker in PvP thinks he just killed the last MA,
but then BAM! you come in from behind and start owning him. Good idea.
I'm going to try it out with Duelist.

/clap

Radar6590

OK, first of all, assassin IS overpowered. there is no such thing as sneak attack detection. Your only defenses against an assassin are your CT and your evade bubble. If im running a load that gives me 295 CT, i can block quite a few high lvl assassin attacks, but even then, i get hit. You need a CT in the range of 315+ average to block most assassin attacks.. assuming you dont have consistant technique on. Many assassins can roll in the 400+ range (if they know what theyre doing). This combined with the fact that assassins can ROCK in IL if they have the proper loads, can make an MA completely useless. I can run fast heal 1.0 and 2.0 and it doesnt do a thing if im taking 1,200 damage from an assassin... or 2..... and PLZ, people who compare hacker to assassin don't know the game. Hackers ARENT THAT FREAKING TOUGH. Knifers arent either. I mean, in my opinion most of the trees are pretty well balanced. The only thing is people who want to run GM get all whiny cuz they cant have Hyperspeed, full VD, and GM at the same time, which isnt that great of a load anyway. You could have the best layout in the world (AKA:full VD, high CT, in the 310 range, incredibly fast healing) and you'll still fall to two or more assassins, or even 1 assassin and an MA. Once your in IL its over for you, evade bubble or no. And with you occupied by another MA, An assassin rarely misses. The only thing thats weak about an assassin is if its 1 on 1 and you have previous knowledge of its exsistance (AKA: a duel) where u can put up your evade, run around a bit, wait for it to break ur bubble and then follow it so it cant get sneak on again. or IL it.

Bottem line: There really isnt anything to stop assassins in PVP situations, however, in duels they arent that tough.

Charlenna

lmao I think a layman can tell that MKT, Assassin, and Hacker are
grossly overpowered, again with Assassin simply because your only means
of defense against it is broken. MKT have to ditch best PvP clothes for
dodge range clothes with mediocre stats to defend against and even then
still more than likely going to get nailed. Hacker is the most
overpowered, anyone who can't see that mustn't be paying much attention
to what their abilities do, show me what other class can: cast all
status effects on enemy for 45s (Code Shock), debuff an opponents ct
immensely for a few minutes - not seconds - minutes (Despoiler and
Combat Shutdown), aoe stun, root for 2 min and can recast that root
before the effect on the opponent has passed (Bottle Neck), can do
aoe's that cause 700-1000 dmg w/ chance of stun (Dev field and
mushroom), cause powerless for 2 min (show me what class can use an
ability to deprive a Hacker of his abilities for 2 min), and the only
means to defend against them is to sacrifice 30 memory - yeah, sorry, I
tend to think that's a bit overpowered. Hackers cause me greater
concern than MKTs and Assassins regardless of however much viral
deflection i may have loaded out there.

Radar6590

LMAO, i wasn't talking about VD. Hackers cant even touch me with AOE attacks. they just ARENT strong enough to damage the layout I run. I heal it all away, and not only can you pop pills, ive got sweep. Theres also a layout to have Full VD full VT and sweep and buffs. I dont even want to hear tha hacker is overpowered. I can beat one 1 on 1 with NO VD. without their stun their almost worthless. As for knifer, all u need is DR, which can be fixed with a change of clothes and/or hyper dodge. Assassin is the only thing you can have trouble with.

Radar6590

Oh, and as for something with all the debuffs hacker has, dont you think they need it? As i said, without stun a hackers almost worhtless. Just because your layout doesnt handle it well, doesnt mean that there are layouts that can. If hacker didnt have Debuffs, they'd be killed. Thats why i dotn think this hacker revamp is a good idea, its balanced if you know what your doing to fight it, or anythign else for that matter.

Charlenna

No, I don't think they need it, and obviously from what you decribed is
your running a variation of patcher, guessing something with ForceM,
dropping all awakened abilities for some Hacker utility, just another
easy mode load out pretty much every half-decent PvPer in MxO knows.
I'm not sure what kind of Hackers you been facing, but pretty much
every Hacker worth their salt knows the exploit to bypass viral
deflection completely, hell, even so long as they have 450+ viral trans
they can still get through the majority of the time. And Hackers aren't
half as fragile as you make them seem to be, that's why I wonder what
kind of Hackers you been facing off against, because most Hackers I
know of do what most patchers do, go full on belief so they can absorb
over half of all dmg done to them. Yes without stun they are nothing,
but ALL OF THEM USE STUN, what kind of Hacker doesn't load up some type
of stun attack, where do these Hackers come from, I'd much like to meet
them! :smileyvery-happy: I'm guessing you're using the
viral resistance buffs from patcher to reduce the dmg of their attacks,
and so you use sweeps and pop pills, well, I'd think you'd be aware
that they don't clear the status effect right away, they do so
generally 5-10 seconds after the status effect has hit you. But Hackers
usually work together, 2-3+ of them so they can work crowd control to
eliminate sweeps and the like, which again brings me ask, what kind of
Hackers are you fighting?

Radar6590

OK A: Im not using Force multiplier, as i don't have that full tree.

B: Whoever said their stun would work against me even if they got through my VD?

C: Despite rumors, max Viral Trans and Deflection is still 400.. let me say that again, 400. Look in system if you're not convinced.

D: Dont pop pills, waste of money.

E: I've fought most of the best hackers in my server, Vector.

F: Didn't you hear me? i heal incredibly fast, even Dev field doesn't affect me for more than 8-10 secs before i have full health again.

G: Hackers ARE weak in close combat, belief or no. Only a hackr with full perception would have a chance against an MA. I've tested it.

H: I don't even have full viral resist. only 41%.

Radar6590

let me add an "I" to that:

as for the hacker debuffs, even when im stunned, and despoiled i roll in the 245-265 range. In case you don't UNDERSTAND hacker, which you dont seem to, that's -20 for the stun, and -50 for the despoiler. Any hacker with belief wouldn't roll close to that. I don't know what kind of hackers YOU fight, but any hacker i know wont stay in CC, they run and jump. Or maybe you're on the "baby" servers, where you arent constantly fighting hackers, and you only fight them in duels when they cant jump?

0Carlos0

maka are you in a faction called "mercinarys inc." wrong spelling i kno lol, im crazydude carlos lol

Makablesdinger wrote:

0Carlos0 wrote:

i cant complain, i am pure MA :smileyhappy:

i think of myself as matrial artists assassin, i load all my ma and sneak lol it works :smileyhappy:

Thats a pretty good idea. A hacker in PvP thinks he just killed the last MA, but then BAM! you come in from behind and start owning him. Good idea. I'm going to try it out with Duelist.
/clap

thanks :smileyvery-happy: and if ur not dont tell anybody :smileyindifferent: people shoulnt know techniques if they dont read the pvp forums :smileytongue: